Re: [TruthTalk] God is a Relational God: Father, Son, Spirit

[Judy Taylor]

 

 

On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 19:05:43 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

What can I say.   Your answers are those of the works salvationist's.  

You say that one has to obey and I say that one will obey.  

 

jt: I don't say one HAS to do anything JD - you can do whatever you want to.

However, if you want to walk in God's blessing and protection and ultimately

inherit eternal life there is just one way to walk but nobody is going to make you.

 

You seem to allow for an obedience that is less than perfection  -  something

we both agree upon.   You see time limits where one exist. You see spiritual warfare

where none exist 

 

What do you mean none exists JD?. If you live in this world of sin and shame

you are in the battle - that is if you are not totally deceived or unconscious.

 

(the Holloway girl was not murdered by the will of God because of she lacked

spiritual discernment, for example).  

 

It is never the will of God for anyone to be murdered ever JD; why would you

even say something like that.  However, those who lay with dogs get up with

fleas.

 

And you refuse to admit that selfishness, pride etc are failings that are common

to all of mankind. 

 

I don't refuse to admit the above JD, my belief is that we do not have to walk

there because in Christ we are enabled to walk after the spirit and refuse to

fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

 

You probably think you have to ask for forgiveness every time you commit an

event sin.  You even make up reasons why I Co 8:2,3 and Ro 4:3 have nothing

to do with present time (2005) needs.   

 

As to the first scripture above JD, I don't see how anyone can say they love

God while refusing or ignoring obeying His Word; and as for the second

Abraham's faith was accompanied by corresponding actions. What if he had

refused to sacrifice the son of promise.  What then?? 

 

The beam in your own eye escapes you while the speck in my eye becomes

a forest in your estimation.   There is no grace in a gospel that, in the end,

is limited by the failings of the one's it seeks to save.   That is NOT a

gospel of grace.  Rather, it is a gospel of horrific failing 

 

It sure is a "gospel of grace" God sent His Spirit to enable to do everything

that He expects from you.  Those who make it at the last day will never be

accused of "horrific failing" because they will have overcome by the blood of

the lamb and the testimony of Jesus.

 

If you see your failings as greater than the power of God then you are steeped

in the kind of unbelief that will be your death sentence.

From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>

On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:20:06 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

There are no known time limits for immaturity.   God is patient and forgiving . 

 

There are limits JD though they may not be widely known.  Israel reached them.

and God was just as patient and forgiving then. He has not changed His personality. 

Think about it - one whole generation had to die in the wilderness; and later the

whole nation was taken into captivity. Hosea 4:6 is every bit as relevant today.

In fact I see the Natalee Holloway incident as a perfect example of this. She was a

good Baptist girl and both parents are good Baptists. Obviously the girl was naive

and spiritually undiscerning.  She had no business being where she was and had

no defense in dealing with the wolves she was confronted with there - from all

appearances she has perished leaving a grieving family. Is God glorified in this??

 

Condemnation has been removed  -- something upon which you and I disagree. 

 

Only for those walking after the Spirit JD (see Romans 8:1,2 in something other

than the NIV) Those walking after the flesh will continue to produce it's fruit

 

When it comes to counsel, Judy,  you have no message of hope for those who are

trapped within their own finiteness.  

 

Of course I have JD, my message is that Jesus died so that they can be free in

their walk .. not just their talk.

 

The gospel I know to be true is that which proclaims deliverance from the

penalties of sin,  not necessarily from the effects of sin.  So, the addict has all

the time in world to make the changes he needs to make. 

 

I don't believe it is the same gospel as the one that I know to be true JD.

We are saved from the wrath of God when we exchange sin for righteousness in

Christ.  However, the results/effects of sin will remain so long as one is sinning.

Sin is deceitful; I know a girl who made a committment to Christ but is not willing

to trust Him in an area causing her to have cluster migraines. She has not been

delivered from these and is now to the point of getting around with a morphine

pump which over time is becoming less effective.  Is this your gospel JD? 

 

He does have choices to make if his life is to be what God in Christ has ordained

it to be via the accomplishment of the reconciliation of all things.   Grace verses

works of law.  Jd 

 

Grace in my gospel JD is the power to overcome. How can one who is overcome

by sin and sickness (hobbling about with a morphine pump) be one with an

overcoming people who will judge nations?  If your gospel does not cause them

to become victors in Christ - then it is one that is void of power and your definition

of grace in actuality is a cover for sin.

 

 

From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>

JD writes:

 

jt: Both God and the devil know when they are being conned; a sincere baby believer who is

doing the best they know how may be protected for a time.  However, the curse is all over

those who are still on pablum when they should be ready for strong meat. 

 

Baloney. 

 

I find your response here both amazing and disheartening JD - especially since you

are out there trying to counsel ppl and spread what you believe.  Don't you pay any

mind to the example of Israel and the repeated warnings to us not to replicate their

folly and here you are not only advocating doing the same but encouraging others.

 

Please do a study on the doctrine of Balaam.