Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP!

[Dave Hansen]

*on to my second question*...how the mormon god, who is "without beginning of days" is also a created being, thus, with a finite beginning. DAVEH:   I hardly looked at, or even thought about it Perry.  If you so stubbornly deny the obvious message (about Moses seeing God) in the Bible, to discuss something else that requires a lot more understanding of LDS theology is futile.  You would never be able to understand it from my perspective due to your preconceived notions.  The logic for understanding that it does not contradict the Bible requires a much broader understanding of the Bible message than you would be capable of comprehending.....which has become obvious from your perception of the Moses saw God passages we've just discussed.  And.....you've stated your goal to denigrate my beliefs.......So why bother.     Over the years I've been on TT, I've come to realize that most TTers (I won't even say Protestants) are very entrenched in their beliefs to the point that they cannot think out of the box.  I suppose you could say the same about me, but I perceive it from a much broader perspective.  You have confined your understanding to a very limited view of how the Bible is perceived, which is heavily rooted in tradition.  Because theological theories have been founded centuries ago, and been previously thoroughly discussed by historical scholars, it doesn't seem to leave you much room to expand your thinking.  The assumption that what you have been taught is superior to that which the Lord may have subsequently revealed clouds your thinking.  Instead of looking at it with an open mind, you simply have declared LDS theology to be evil, and apparently assume that anything I believe is absolutely contrary to the Bible.  At least that's the way I see it, Perry.     Basically.....I would be happy to discuss your above question with somebody who would actually be willing to have a meaningful discussion about it without getting his nose bent out of shape and curtly declares....... I am done with this topic. I have stated my position. /*Fini.*/ *We are not destined to agree, and that is okay with me.* Get you last shot in, then... .........Of course you are done with it, Perry......your assumption was shown to be in error.  But I was not done at all.....I had only discussed one aspect....Moses seeing God.   It is obvious that your theory contradicts the Bible, and we had not yet even discussed the other evidences the Bible gives to show the weakness of your position.  How can the discussion possibly be Fini when we have covered just a narrow window of the topic....Moses?  Yes, you have stated your opinion, but you failed to allow the discussion to continue to the point of considering the other evidences the Bible gives that contradict your theory.  In fairness to you, I had not yet offered that evidence due to nature of our initial few exchanges being limited to Moses seeing God.  But since you have prematurely ended the discussion, it brought termination to what I consider to be a fascinating contradiction in Protestant theology.....that most Protestants believe God could not be seen (without severe consequence), but yet Jesus....fully being God....was seen by many.  So....it is quite apparent that you really don't want to have a meaningful discussion about these things Perry.  Hence my reluctance to continue on to another topic without the ability to appropriately conclude the first one.  But....if another TTer (other than an anti-Mormon) would be willing to discuss this aspect, I'd sure appreciate it. Charles Perry Locke wrote: My second question? If you have no rationalization, just say so instead of dodging it. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.