On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Cédric Krier <[email protected]> wrote: > On 18/11/11 18:48 -0300, Luis Falcon wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Nicolas Évrard <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > If there was no elveos, the MRP module would still be in the limbos. >> > What alternative do you propose ? >> >> Work on it as a community. The donation Thymbra did was not on the >> basis of "pay to being done", which is not good at all. > > It is your opinion and I respect it. So if you did not understand the > idea behind elveos, sorry for that I was perhaps not clear enough. > You can still take back your money until the development has started and > be right with your ethic. > > I would like just to remember that B2CK did not participate to the > production workshop where people agreed on funding our elvos proposal. > >> Donating >> money, time, code and talent has to be on the basis of contributing to >> the community. > > Yes but I don't see how "elveos funding development" will not be a > contribution to project. > >> Let me tell you, GNU Solidario receives donations. Some donors do it >> because they want some feature in their health center, others do it >> just because they like our cause and mission. But it is up to them to >> donate whatever they feel is appropiate. Some of them won't donate at >> all. We will be always happy developing GNU Health (and other free >> software systems) and improving people's lives with it. We get happy >> when people ask for new functionality that improve the system. > > Off topic. That is your opinion.I don't find it off topic at all. > >> For me, Free Software is synonym of social activism. > > That's your opinion. I think that for most of us, Free Software is just > synonym of Free Software [1]. >From Richard Stallman : "[..]Most of these users, however, have never heard of the ethical reasons for which we developed this system and built the free software community...."
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html >> It's being >> ethical. > > I don't see the term "ethic" in the 4 freedoms :-) Again from RMS: "Open source is a development methodology; free software is a social movement. For the free software movement, free software is an ethical imperative..." I was giving my opinion, but you can see that is shared by many, among them, the founder of the Free Software Foundation. > >> It's giving to the community something without expecting >> something back. It's contributing to the development of the society. > > That's your vision, let others have their own vision as far as it > respect the common definition from [1]. > >> I believe profit should be made only on the basis of implementations >> and training. > > This is your core business for Thymbra and that's fine. But for example, > this is not the core business of B2CK which is to develop on/for/with > Tryton. That is perfect, but at the same time, that's why we need the foundation. > >> So, having a good product will lead to more >> implementations (including customizations) and more trainings. >> >> That's why I insist in the Tryton foundation, because it would be a >> non-profit organization with the idea of promoting and protecting >> Tryton, completely away from any type of economic interest. > > But the foundation will not prevent for example B2CK to make his business > or to have people using elveos to improve Tryton. That's the freedom the > Free Software gives. B2CK has all the right to use whatever is best for their business, but it should not put in jeopardy the Tryton community. Those who are coming from OpenERP knows what we're talking about. The Tryton foundation will protect Tryton in an independent way. I think we all agree on this. > >> Then, of course B2CK, Thymbra, Sisalp, NaN, etc, can (and should) make >> profit implementing and training Tryton. > > and whatelse they want. > >> This of course is my point of view. > > So I think we all now know, take action according to it and let's go > back to tranquility. > > This is my last email on this thread. > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software > > PS: for those who are boring by this thread, a good reading > recommendation :-) > http://www.randomhouse.com/book/80240/the-hacker-ethic-by-pekka-himanen http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html But Tryton is __not__ "Open Source" , so we should not worry about it, right ? ;-) Everything said on this subject and cleared on my side. Have a nice weekend. > > -- > Cédric Krier > > B2CK SPRL > Rue de Rotterdam, 4 > 4000 Liège > Belgium > Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 > Email/Jabber: [email protected] > Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ > -- [email protected] mailing list
