On Thursday 12 July 2007 07:12:48 Sylvain Hellegouarch wrote:
> I'm not saying that there is such plan. But there hasn't been any clear
> and strong message from the TG team saying that it would not happen
> either way, leaving the community discussing the advantages Storm has
> over SA which will ultimately lead to someone wanting its support. This
> is a reasonnable assumption from someone who uses TG but doesn't develop
> it.

I'd see new code for a new ORM with good eyes.  If the person who wants this 
support integrates Storm with TG as SQL Alchemy and SQL Object are integrated 
today, why not accepting it in our codebase?

If the person willing that support want us to code it for him/her, then this 
is an entirely different issue and I believe that a lot of us here code for 
money. ;-)

> The TG story has shown that as soon as a new project was getting some
> momentum, there was a strong push to use it instead of existing tools.

And our history shows that those changes only brought benefits.  See how it 
was with Genshi and with SQL Alchemy where we gained more possibilities and 
speed on our code execution.

The same with WSGI, where we gained a lot more possibilities to weave our 
applications and reuse components.

> Sometimes it was for the best (SA over SO, Genshi over Kid [1]) but it
> doesn't mean it's always good to let the community in the hope things
> could happen in a way the TG team doesn't want to.

What has happened that the TG team didn't want to or didn't approved?  We all 
have resistence to changes.  It's a natural human thing.  But sometimes -- a 
lot of them -- changes are good.

> The TG-users liste has more than 3000 users.
> The TG-trunk list has less than 300.
>
> It's fair to expect people to launch ideas on the main list but not read
> the second list.

Oh well...  I'm not subscribed to Python-Dev, but I read C.L.Py (it mirrors 
the mailing list) often.  The same happens there...

When something big happens on the "non-dev" list, people in the trunk list 
discuss it there.  When it is not so big, they leave it for the main mailing 
list...  We don't need duplicated traffic.

If somebody really wants to subscribe to the trunk mailing list and make a 
daily / weekly / fortnightly report to the mail mailing list, this someone 
will be welcome by probably 3000 - 300 people. 



-- 
Jorge Godoy      <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


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