Not to defend Colbert (whose show is never quite as good as I want it to be), but the two tapings I attended went pretty much live-to-air (meaning, no retakes or filler). The exception was in the second one, where he blew a joke in a bit with a blackboard and had to start over after erasing and redrawing on the board.
But, yeah, the cutaways to Batiste (who, like Paul Shaffer, really needs to shut up the off-screen comments) and the audience are pretty clear indicators of an edit. Some are less clumsy than others. --Dave Sikula On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 10:30:45 AM UTC-8, Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 9:03 AM Steve Timko <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> >> I am noticing the clunky editing on Colbert as well. A typical one is >> they cut to Jon Batiste who will say something unrelated to what Colbert is >> talking about >> > > Ah yes, that’s the Hank Kingsley Factor > > #HeyNow > > > >> Not sent from an iPhone >> On Jan 22, 2018, at 6:20 AM, PGage <[email protected] <javascript:>> >> wrote: >>> >>> Dave always felt strongly that his show should be as “live to tape” as >>> possible, though of course that did not count obviously and less obviously >>> pre-taped segments. One change when Colbert took over is that he clearly >>> does not have that same feeling. I think this is consistent with how he did >>> things on the CR, where I am pretty sure they routinely re-did what would >>> have been “live to tape” segements, often multiple times, and edited >>> together the best bits for the broadcast. Colbert has also, as we have >>> discussed here, been more comfortable using musical, interview and comedy >>> pieces recorded previously and blended in, and I suspect it is not uncommon >>> that he stops tape and re-shoots specific segments. I don’t know if it is >>> “sloppy” editing as much as a growing awareness that this kind of editing >>> happens routinely that leads to the sometimes jarring discontinuities - >>> with the host or bandleader wearing a different tie or suit. >>> >>> All of that said, while I am not sure it qualifies as actual lying, I >>> would rather they cut out the “live to tape” thing, unless they find a way >>> to telegraph it more specifically as an homage to Sanders. I don’t like it >>> because it strongly implies that this version of the show is shot with more >>> direct continuity than Dave’s version, and that is clearly not so. >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 7:31 PM Kevin M. < [email protected] >>> <javascript:>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 10:02 AM Adam Bowie < [email protected] >>>> <javascript:>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Because we get few talk shows over here, and for the most part I only >>>>> see segments on YouTube, for me, "Live on tape [from Hollywood]" will >>>>> always mean The Larry Sanders Show. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Adam, that’s always what I think of when I hear it. Besides, if we are >>>> being pedantic about the word “live,” we should also point out the shows >>>> are not on “tape” as tape hasn’t been industry standard in years. >>>> >>>> As for the non-live/edited aspect of the talk shows, it is the frankly >>>> sloppy editing that has brought the issue to the forefront. I worked a lot >>>> of talk shows back in the day, and I’ve attended several since then, and >>>> the only show that strived to air an as-recorded broadcast was Leno’s >>>> Tonight Show. But editors and producers used to strive for continuity, and >>>> that just isn’t the case anymore. I think it would matter less if the >>>> editing resulted in a greater amount of comedy/substance, but I don’t >>>> think >>>> that has been the case. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Adam >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:47 PM, Brad Beam <[email protected] >>>>> <javascript:>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Tune in tomorrow night after your late local news for a new "Jimmy >>>>>> Kimmel Live on Tape." >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 20, 2018, at 10:44, Jon Delfin < [email protected] >>>>>> <javascript:>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The deception begins with the daily "Live on tape" announcement. >>>>>> Nothing will change. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 20, 2018 8:04 AM, "PGage" < [email protected] <javascript:>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have pretty much stopped watching on Fridays. I am not exactly >>>>>>> angry, but I have been calling on them to be more transparent about >>>>>>> this (I >>>>>>> have emailed them a couple of times, no reply). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don’t think it’s laziness; it takes a lot of time and energy to do >>>>>>> those shows. Colbert wants time with the Fam in NJ, and he wants his >>>>>>> staff >>>>>>> to do that too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The show is so ultra topical that even a rerun from a month ago >>>>>>> would feel dated. So I don’t mind what they are doing, just wish they >>>>>>> were >>>>>>> more honest about it >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 1:28 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV < >>>>>>> [email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Have to agree. When Dave was dark on Fridays, the alleged excuse >>>>>>>> was that they used the time to tape material outside of the studio. >>>>>>>> (That >>>>>>>> it was more that Dave just couldn't be bothered to work five days is >>>>>>>> beside >>>>>>>> the point ... ) Colbert doing this just strikes me a lazy. Of course, >>>>>>>> Myers >>>>>>>> does it, too, but at least Late Night admits the whole show is a >>>>>>>> rerun. >>>>>>>> I'll be interested to see if they do five new shows a week during >>>>>>>> sweeps or >>>>>>>> keep this up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --Dave Sikula >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 9:52:41 PM UTC-8, David Bruggeman >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is the second week in a row that The Late Show has repeated >>>>>>>>> an interview on a Friday show. Last week it was a second go for Fire >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> Fury author Michael Wolff, who had appeared earlier that week. >>>>>>>>> Tonight >>>>>>>>> it's comedian and Crashing star Pete Holmes, a repeat from January >>>>>>>>> 10. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The annoyance for me comes from the show making no indication that >>>>>>>>> the interview had aired before. And yes, the show has reaired >>>>>>>>> interview >>>>>>>>> footage before, but it has typically called it out and in some cases >>>>>>>>> included material that wasn't aired the first time around. These >>>>>>>>> last two >>>>>>>>> instances had no new material, AFAIK. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kevin M. 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