How about the other end here? By other end, I mean this. What about someone in college or out of college with a degree other than an IT subject or if with an IT degree or working on one, who has been taught by someone with over 20 years of experience outside of college but the student/graduate has no employment history of what has been taught them outside of college. Plus they meet all 3 of your requirements listed below?
UniVerse/UniData/D3/JBASE/CACHE is not taught in colleges and if we don't teach them what happens when all of us oldies are gone? Brenda -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 2:41 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions Kevin: After actually hiring a lot of people, and firing those that needed it, I've come to the conclusion that all employers need a person with the following three attributes: 1) An ability, and willingness, to be on-time, 2) An ability, and willingness, to be presentable in all business situations, and 3) An ability, and willingness, to learn what they don't know (which is always a lot!). The people coming out of college these days are mostly unemployable. Today's bachelors degree is like a 1930 8th grade education, or a 1970 high school education. So, no matter what any Human Services dweeb says, getting someone to show up looking presentable and willing to work whatever it takes to learn what they don't know is gold! These kinds of people are quite trainable and, considering all software frameworks have a short shelf life anyway, offer a lot of flexibility for your purposes. Just a thought. :-) Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- *From:* [email protected] *To:* U2 Users List <[email protected]> *Date:* 10/11/2013 9:56 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions > Unfortunately, in one case I hired a friend. Needless to say, it was > one of the worst decisions I've made. Not only lost a friend, but > lost a lot of customer confidence by her attitude, poor workmanship, > and unwillingness to adapt. > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Robert Frailey <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Wow, seen a lot of that and managers trying to get friends hired to >> create a perfect office society. >> >> >> quit hiring backstabbing chaff >>> with their own agendas. >>> >> Robert >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin King" >> <[email protected]> >> To: "Susan Joslyn" <[email protected]>; "U2 Users List" < >> [email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 8:07 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions >> >> >> Susan, yes. I've been very open in my interviews, and it's netted >>> significantly regrettable results. So this time I'm going for >>> people who can get behind and contribute to the common cause as soon >>> after hire as possible. I don't have any aspirations of hiring for >>> life, though I certainly do endeavor to have that kind of an >>> environment for a person who wants that sort of thing. I just need >>> to quit hiring backstabbing chaff with their own agendas. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Susan Joslyn <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Kevin, >>>> Not that I have any real experience - at least not for what seems >>>> like a lifetime - with hiring. But my instinct might be to let the >>>> applicant tell me whatever they want. You know, just an open ended >>>> "Tell me what you would like me to know about your skills, your >>>> ambitions and your work ethic." >>>> Probably that's an approach you've already tried. >>>> >>>> Susan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>>> From: >>>> <mailto:u2-users-bounces@**listserver.u2ug.org<u2-users-bounces@lis >>>> tserver.u2ug.org> >>>> u2-users-bounces@listserver.**u2ug.org<u2-users-bounces@listserver. >>>> u2ug.org>[ >>>> <mailto:u2-users-bounces@**listserver.u2ug.org<u2-users-bounces@lis >>>> tserver.u2ug.org> >>>> mailto:u2-users-bounces@**listserver.u2ug.org<u2-users-bounces@list >>>> server.u2ug.org>] >>>> On Behalf Of Leverett, >>>> Brendon >>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2013 1:40 PM >>>> >>>> To: U2 Users List >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Interviewer: What is one of your weak points? >>>> >>>> Applicant: My honesty. >>>> >>>> Interviewer: I would have thought that was a strong point. >>>> >>>> Applicant: I don't give a %^&* what you think you stupid ^&^%$ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> U2-Users mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/**mailman/listinfo/u2-users<http://lists >>>> erver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> U2-Users mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/**mailman/listinfo/u2-users<http://listse >>> rver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users> >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> U2-Users mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://listserver.u2ug.org/**mailman/listinfo/u2-users<http://listser >> ver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users> >> > _______________________________________________ > U2-Users mailing list > [email protected] > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _______________________________________________ U2-Users mailing list [email protected] http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _______________________________________________ U2-Users mailing list [email protected] http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
