Yes, sorry, my explanation lacked an important detail: I reckon the GNOME developers wanted to use generic names for first-party apps only (and thus, for one and only one app for each task). Third party apps are still displayed using their real name.
I might be wrong though, or GNOME developers might also have changed their strategy since the last time I checked... Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 16:04 +0200, Narcis Garcia a écrit : > I believe there is a middle point for this: > > "Gedit text editor" > "Nautilus file manager" > "Firefox web browser" > etc. > > If someone names simply "Web browser" to Epiphany, how is named > Firefox?? In a bad names strategy, user could see this in an > applications menu: > Web browser <- This is Firefox (you must know) > Web browser <- This is Mirori (you must know) > Web browser <- This is Icecat (you must know) > ...no sense. > > It's very difficult for casual (or new) users this other extreme in a > bad names strategy: > Sylpheed <- This is an e-mail software (you must know) > Evolution <- This is an e-mail software (you must know) > Geary <- This is an e-mail software (you must know) > > > El 26/06/15 a les 11:13, Julien Olivier ha escrit: > > Hi Bart, list, > > > > the thing with names is that it's better when they actually *mean* > > something. An experimented user will immediately know that Firefox is a > > web browser or that Evolution is an email program. But normal users will > > have no clue about it :) Some apps use names that provide clues as to > > what the purpose of the app is, like Rhythmbox or Gedit, but most don't. > > > > I think the recent trend among GNOME developers is that the app name is > > more like an internal code, not aimed at being used in the user experience. > > > > Maybe a good way to fix your problem would be to have a "Launch in > > terminal" entry in the app's dash icon, next to "New Window" and "Add to > > favourites", possibly as a GNOME Shell extension ? > > > > Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 10:25 +0200, Bart Schouten a écrit : > >> Quoting Narcis Garcia <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>>: > >> > >> > I agree with Keith Grider in a subject: "please name all programs in the > >> > UI the same as the cli (...) if you want to diagnose the problem, you > >> > need to grep all over the internet to find out what the program name is > >> > to be able to launch from the command line to see what errors are > >> > occurring" > >> > > >> > This problem is worse with localized UI. > >> > >> Yes. It makes no sense to name something "File Manager" instead of > >> "Nautilus" when Nautilus is a name you can love and a brand name. > >> Kubuntu (KDE) just puts a like subtitle next to the real name in the > >> menu to describe it. I don't think "File Manager" (or whatever) makes > >> much sense and you cannot love it. Only the most mediocre computer > >> users do not know what "file manager" or anything with a name is and > >> some of them don't even know what the button "web" is supposed to do > >> (in a kiosk computer). You can't really cater to them. Those users > >> can't use Linux anyway. People who have to learn how to use a mouse > >> and who cannot make double-clicks without moving the mouse too much > >> (it happens all too common). I don't think that should be your target > >> audience. A proficient computer user that cannot use a mouse and does > >> not know what a file manager icon is supposed to do -- they can never > >> use linux. They couldn't use Windows. You'd only give them a Mac, at > >> best. I feel it is catering to the lowest common denominator. > >> > >> Personally I think Gnome would be at least twice as good if they got > >> rid of those confusing names when there are good names for those > >> programs already. > >> > >> Just my opinion, as well. > >> > >> Bart. > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > El 25/06/15 a les 15:44, Keith Grider ha escrit: > >> >> Hi, > >> >> > >> >> I have been running Gnome desktop under Ubuntu since 11.04. I did not > >> >> like Unity and did not like the Gnome fallback. Tried Elementary OS for > >> >> a while and came back to Ubuntu Gnome because they are so slow to > >> >> release Freya. > >> >> > >> >> The new Gnome in 15.04 seems snappier and I like it. I could care less > >> >> about the cutting edge, latest Gnome, I just want it to run. I am in the > >> >> process of upgrading my computers from 14.04 to 15.04. 2 down and 2 to > >> >> go. There are some kernel improvements in 15.04 which help a couple > >> >> issues I was having with 14.04 (1 is that network manager is somewhat > >> >> broken in 14.04.2 The via_velocity module will not reconnect to the lan > >> >> after suspend and another is with wifi on my laptop.) > >> >> > >> >> Stuff that does not work or does not work 'correctly' in 15.04, IMO: > >> >> > >> >> 1. I can no longer unload a module at suspend time. I know this is a > >> >> kernel problem and not Gnome, but it is a problem for me. I used to > >> >> be able to do this with 13.04, but since 12.04, I can no longer get > >> >> it to unload the aic7xxx module before suspending. No matter what I > >> >> put in the |/etc/pm/config.d/modules, it will not unload. As soon as > >> >> I try to use that module, the kernel panics and locks up the > >> >> computer. It is an old card, but runs my scanner just fine. It used > >> >> to work correctly and now it only works after boot and crashes after > >> >> the first suspend resume cycle. I can do it by hand and can also > >> >> blacklist it so I cna load it when I need it, but it should be able > >> >> to be automated, this is a regression. > >> >> | > >> >> 2. ||The Gnome login screen needs a suspend time out. As it is, I have > >> >> my users set auto suspend after 30 minutes. It would be nice if I > >> >> could set that for The Gnome login screen as well via the Gnome UI > >> >> somehow. It has been this way for a while and it is a regression, > >> >> IMO. > >> >> 3. The Gnome login screen does not have a suspend option. All I can do > >> >> is shut down or reboot from the login screen. > >> >> 4. The openjdk-*-jre install no longer has a .desktop file for right > >> >> clicking and launching *.jar files in Nautilus, it must be created > >> >> by hand to run these files. > >> >> 5. Please, please, please name all programs in the UI the same as the > >> >> cli... Please. It is tough to click and try to launch something in > >> >> the UI, have nothing happen then if you want to diagnose the > >> >> problem, you need to grep all over the internet to find out what the > >> >> program name is to be able to launch from the command line to see > >> >> what errors are occurring. I do not have a specific example right > >> >> now, but could find one if you need. I think one of them is 'files'. > >> >> Just call it 'nautilus'. > >> >> > >> >> Keep up the good work. > >> >> > >> >> Keith > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Ali/amjjawad <[email protected] > >> >> <mailto:[email protected]> > >> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Dear everyone, > >> >> > >> >> Before we start the planning for this cycle (Wily Werewolf - 15.04), > >> >> I'd like to run this survey before anything else: > >> >> > >> >> https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time/ > >> >> > >> >> It would be very important for me and everyone else to understand > >> >> what we have done, what we are doing and what we are suppose to do > >> >> in the future. Above all, we do need to understand what *OUR USERS* > >> >> think :) > >> >> > >> >> I am having very limited time to spend so if the survey is bad or > >> >> lack some questions, etc .. please keep in mind that this is what my > >> >> time allowed me to do. I think I did my best and I'd like to > >> >> apologize in advance for any inconvenience. > >> >> > >> >> You can *ALWAYS* write to us and send your feedback here, on this > >> >> mailing list: > >> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> and/or *FEEL FREE to contact me* :) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> The survey should *NOT* take more than _*3 minutes*_ from your time. > >> >> > >> >> *Here is the direct link:* > >> >> http://goo.gl/forms/sXdsxPIkfZ > >> >> > >> >> You can only answer it ONE time so please, make sure to read the > >> >> questions carefully ;) > >> >> > >> >> Thank you so much! > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us." > >> >> > >> >> Best Regards, > >> >> Ali/amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad> > >> >> > >> >> *http://kibo.computer* - http://torios.net - Ubuntu GNOME > >> >> <http://ubuntugnome.org/> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list > >> >> [email protected] > >> >> <mailto:[email protected]> > >> >> <mailto:[email protected]> > >> >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > >> >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list > >> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > >> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
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