El 26 de junio de 2015 17:15:26 GMT+01:00, Keith Grider <[email protected]> escribió: >I agree, but please tell me what the name is... If that is in the 'help >-> >about' graphic, that is fine, but please tell me what it is. >
+1 This would help me and those I potentially support. >keith > >On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Alfredo Hernández < >[email protected]> wrote: > >> I agree with Julien. Our purpose is to give a pure GNOME experience. >The >> average user doesn't care if they are using Totem or VLC, they want a >Video >> Player and they will most probably have only one video player >installed. >> >> On 26 June 2015 at 17:33, Julien Olivier <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Yes, sorry, my explanation lacked an important detail: I reckon the >>> GNOME developers wanted to use generic names for first-party apps >only (and >>> thus, for one and only one app for each task). Third party apps are >still >>> displayed using their real name. >>> >>> I might be wrong though, or GNOME developers might also have changed >>> their strategy since the last time I checked... >>> >>> >>> Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 16:04 +0200, Narcis Garcia a écrit : >>> >>> I believe there is a middle point for this: >>> >>> "Gedit text editor" >>> "Nautilus file manager" >>> "Firefox web browser" >>> etc. >>> >>> If someone names simply "Web browser" to Epiphany, how is named >>> Firefox?? In a bad names strategy, user could see this in an >>> applications menu: >>> Web browser <- This is Firefox (you must know) >>> Web browser <- This is Mirori (you must know) >>> Web browser <- This is Icecat (you must know) >>> ...no sense. >>> >>> It's very difficult for casual (or new) users this other extreme in >a >>> bad names strategy: >>> Sylpheed <- This is an e-mail software (you must know) >>> Evolution <- This is an e-mail software (you must know) >>> Geary <- This is an e-mail software (you must know) >>> >>> >>> El 26/06/15 a les 11:13, Julien Olivier ha escrit:> Hi Bart, list,> >> the thing with names is that it's better when they actually *mean*> >something. An experimented user will immediately know that Firefox is >a> web browser or that Evolution is an email program. But normal users >will> have no clue about it :) Some apps use names that provide clues >as to> what the purpose of the app is, like Rhythmbox or Gedit, but >most don't.> > I think the recent trend among GNOME developers is that >the app name is> more like an internal code, not aimed at being used in >the user experience.> > Maybe a good way to fix your problem would be >to have a "Launch in> terminal" entry in the app's dash icon, next to >"New Window" and "Add to> favourites", possibly as a GNOME Shell >extension ?> > Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 10:25 +0200, Bart Schouten a >écrit :>> Quoting Narcis Garcia <[email protected] ><mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>>>:>>>> > I agree >with Keith Grider in a subject: "please name all programs in the>> > UI >the same as the cli (...) if you want to diagnose the problem, you>> > >need to grep all over the internet to find out what the program name >is>> > to be able to launch from the command line to see what errors >are occurring">> >>> > This problem is worse with localized UI.>>>> >Yes. It makes no sense to name something "File Manager" instead of >>> "Nautilus" when Nautilus is a name you can love and a brand name. >>> Kubuntu (KDE) just puts a like subtitle next to the real name in the >>> menu to describe it. I don't think "File Manager" (or whatever) >makes >> much sense and you cannot love it. Only the most mediocre >computer >> users do not know what "file manager" or anything with a >name is and >> some of them don't even know what the button "web" is >supposed to do >> (in a kiosk computer). You can't really cater to >them. Those users >> can't use Linux anyway. People who have to learn >how to use a mouse >> and who cannot make double-clicks without moving >the mouse too much >> (it happens all too common). I don't think that >should be your target >> audience. A proficient computer user that >cannot use a mouse and does >> not know what a file manager icon is >supposed to do -- they can never >> use linux. They couldn't use >Windows. You'd only give them a Mac, at >> best. I feel it is catering >to the lowest common denominator.>>>> Personally I think Gnome would be >at least twice as good if they got >> rid of those confusing names >when there are good names for those >> programs already.>>>> Just my >opinion, as well.>>>> Bart.>>>> >>> >>> >>> > El 25/06/15 a les 15:44, >Keith Grider ha escrit:>> >> Hi,>> >>>> >> I have been running Gnome >desktop under Ubuntu since 11.04. I did not>> >> like Unity and did not >like the Gnome fallback. Tried Elementary OS for>> >> a while and came >back to Ubuntu Gnome because they are so slow to>> >> release Freya.>> >>>>> >> The new Gnome in 15.04 seems snappier and I like it. I could >care less>> >> about the cutting edge, latest Gnome, I just want it to >run. I am in the>> >> process of upgrading my computers from 14.04 to >15.04. 2 down and 2 to>> >> go. There are some kernel improvements in >15.04 which help a couple>> >> issues I was having with 14.04 (1 is >that network manager is somewhat>> >> broken in 14.04.2 The >via_velocity module will not reconnect to the lan>> >> after suspend >and another is with wifi on my laptop.)>> >>>> >> Stuff that does not >work or does not work 'correctly' in 15.04, IMO:>> >>>> >> 1. I can no >longer unload a module at suspend time. I know this is a>> >> >kernel problem and not Gnome, but it is a problem for me. I used to>> >>> be able to do this with 13.04, but since 12.04, I can no longer >get>> >> it to unload the aic7xxx module before suspending. No >matter what I>> >> put in the |/etc/pm/config.d/modules, it will >not unload. As soon as>> >> I try to use that module, the kernel >panics and locks up the>> >> computer. It is an old card, but runs >my scanner just fine. It used>> >> to work correctly and now it >only works after boot and crashes after>> >> the first suspend >resume cycle. I can do it by hand and can also>> >> blacklist it so >I cna load it when I need it, but it should be able>> >> to be >automated, this is a regression.>> >> |>> >> 2. ||The Gnome login >screen needs a suspend time out. As it is, I have>> >> my users set >auto suspend after 30 minutes. It would be nice if I>> >> could set >that for The Gnome login screen as well via the Gnome UI>> >> >somehow. It has been this way for a while and it is a regression, >IMO.>> >> 3. The Gnome login screen does not have a suspend option. >All I can do>> >> is shut down or reboot from the login screen.>> >>> 4. The openjdk-*-jre install no longer has a .desktop file for >right>> >> clicking and launching *.jar files in Nautilus, it must >be created>> >> by hand to run these files.>> >> 5. Please, >please, please name all programs in the UI the same as the>> >> >cli... Please. It is tough to click and try to launch something in>> >> >the UI, have nothing happen then if you want to diagnose the>> >> >problem, you need to grep all over the internet to find out what the>> >>> program name is to be able to launch from the command line to >see>> >> what errors are occurring. I do not have a specific >example right>> >> now, but could find one if you need. I think one >of them is 'files'.>> >> Just call it 'nautilus'.>> >>>> >> Keep up >the good work.>> >>>> >> Keith>> >>>> >>>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at >10:19 PM, Ali/amjjawad <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected] ><[email protected]>>>> >> <mailto:[email protected] ><[email protected]>>> wrote:>> >>>> >> Dear everyone,>> >>>> >> >Before we start the planning for this cycle (Wily Werewolf - 15.04),>> >>> I'd like to run this survey before anything else:>> >>>> >> >https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time/>> >>>> >> It would be very >important for me and everyone else to understand>> >> what we have >done, what we are doing and what we are suppose to do>> >> in the >future. Above all, we do need to understand what *OUR USERS*>> >> >think :)>> >>>> >> I am having very limited time to spend so if the >survey is bad or>> >> lack some questions, etc .. please keep in >mind that this is what my>> >> time allowed me to do. I think I did >my best and I'd like to>> >> apologize in advance for any >inconvenience.>> >>>> >> You can *ALWAYS* write to us and send your >feedback here, on this>> >> mailing list:>> >> >https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs>> >>>> >>>> >> and/or >*FEEL FREE to contact me* :)>> >>>> >>>> >> The survey should *NOT* >take more than _*3 minutes*_ from your time.>> >>>> >> *Here is the >direct link:*>> >> http://goo.gl/forms/sXdsxPIkfZ>> >>>> >> You >can only answer it ONE time so please, make sure to read the>> >> >questions carefully ;)>> >>>> >> Thank you so much!>> >>>> >> >-->> >> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us.">> >>>>> >> Best Regards,>> >> Ali/amjjawad ><https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>>> >>>> >> *http://kibo.computer* >- http://torios.net - Ubuntu GNOME>> >> <http://ubuntugnome.org/>>> >>>>> >> -->> >> Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list>> >> >[email protected] <mailto:[email protected] ><[email protected]>> <mailto:[email protected] ><[email protected]>>>> >> Modify settings or >unsubscribe at:>> >> >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> > -->> > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list>> > >[email protected] <mailto:[email protected] ><[email protected]>>>> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome>> >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list >> [email protected] >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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