I agree, but please tell me what the name is... If that is in the 'help -> about' graphic, that is fine, but please tell me what it is.
keith On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Alfredo Hernández < [email protected]> wrote: > I agree with Julien. Our purpose is to give a pure GNOME experience. The > average user doesn't care if they are using Totem or VLC, they want a Video > Player and they will most probably have only one video player installed. > > On 26 June 2015 at 17:33, Julien Olivier <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes, sorry, my explanation lacked an important detail: I reckon the >> GNOME developers wanted to use generic names for first-party apps only (and >> thus, for one and only one app for each task). Third party apps are still >> displayed using their real name. >> >> I might be wrong though, or GNOME developers might also have changed >> their strategy since the last time I checked... >> >> >> Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 16:04 +0200, Narcis Garcia a écrit : >> >> I believe there is a middle point for this: >> >> "Gedit text editor" >> "Nautilus file manager" >> "Firefox web browser" >> etc. >> >> If someone names simply "Web browser" to Epiphany, how is named >> Firefox?? In a bad names strategy, user could see this in an >> applications menu: >> Web browser <- This is Firefox (you must know) >> Web browser <- This is Mirori (you must know) >> Web browser <- This is Icecat (you must know) >> ...no sense. >> >> It's very difficult for casual (or new) users this other extreme in a >> bad names strategy: >> Sylpheed <- This is an e-mail software (you must know) >> Evolution <- This is an e-mail software (you must know) >> Geary <- This is an e-mail software (you must know) >> >> >> El 26/06/15 a les 11:13, Julien Olivier ha escrit:> Hi Bart, list,> > the >> thing with names is that it's better when they actually *mean*> something. >> An experimented user will immediately know that Firefox is a> web browser or >> that Evolution is an email program. But normal users will> have no clue >> about it :) Some apps use names that provide clues as to> what the purpose >> of the app is, like Rhythmbox or Gedit, but most don't.> > I think the >> recent trend among GNOME developers is that the app name is> more like an >> internal code, not aimed at being used in the user experience.> > Maybe a >> good way to fix your problem would be to have a "Launch in> terminal" entry >> in the app's dash icon, next to "New Window" and "Add to> favourites", >> possibly as a GNOME Shell extension ?> > Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 10:25 >> +0200, Bart Schouten a écrit :>> Quoting Narcis Garcia >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected] >> <[email protected]>>>:>>>> > I agree with Keith Grider in a subject: >> "please name all programs in the>> > UI the same as the cli (...) if you >> want to diagnose the problem, you>> > need to grep all over the internet to >> find out what the program name is>> > to be able to launch from the command >> line to see what errors are occurring">> >>> > This problem is worse with >> localized UI.>>>> Yes. It makes no sense to name something "File Manager" >> instead of >> "Nautilus" when Nautilus is a name you can love and a brand >> name. >> Kubuntu (KDE) just puts a like subtitle next to the real name in >> the >> menu to describe it. I don't think "File Manager" (or whatever) >> makes >> much sense and you cannot love it. Only the most mediocre computer >> >> users do not know what "file manager" or anything with a name is and >> >> some of them don't even know what the button "web" is supposed to do >> >> (in a kiosk computer). You can't really cater to them. Those users >> can't >> use Linux anyway. People who have to learn how to use a mouse >> and who >> cannot make double-clicks without moving the mouse too much >> (it happens >> all too common). I don't think that should be your target >> audience. A >> proficient computer user that cannot use a mouse and does >> not know what >> a file manager icon is supposed to do -- they can never >> use linux. They >> couldn't use Windows. You'd only give them a Mac, at >> best. I feel it is >> catering to the lowest common denominator.>>>> Personally I think Gnome >> would be at least twice as good if they got >> rid of those confusing names >> when there are good names for those >> programs already.>>>> Just my >> opinion, as well.>>>> Bart.>>>> >>> >>> >>> > El 25/06/15 a les 15:44, Keith >> Grider ha escrit:>> >> Hi,>> >>>> >> I have been running Gnome desktop under >> Ubuntu since 11.04. I did not>> >> like Unity and did not like the Gnome >> fallback. Tried Elementary OS for>> >> a while and came back to Ubuntu Gnome >> because they are so slow to>> >> release Freya.>> >>>> >> The new Gnome in >> 15.04 seems snappier and I like it. I could care less>> >> about the cutting >> edge, latest Gnome, I just want it to run. I am in the>> >> process of >> upgrading my computers from 14.04 to 15.04. 2 down and 2 to>> >> go. There >> are some kernel improvements in 15.04 which help a couple>> >> issues I was >> having with 14.04 (1 is that network manager is somewhat>> >> broken in >> 14.04.2 The via_velocity module will not reconnect to the lan>> >> after >> suspend and another is with wifi on my laptop.)>> >>>> >> Stuff that does >> not work or does not work 'correctly' in 15.04, IMO:>> >>>> >> 1. I can no >> longer unload a module at suspend time. I know this is a>> >> kernel >> problem and not Gnome, but it is a problem for me. I used to>> >> be >> able to do this with 13.04, but since 12.04, I can no longer get>> >> it >> to unload the aic7xxx module before suspending. No matter what I>> >> >> put in the |/etc/pm/config.d/modules, it will not unload. As soon as>> >> >> I try to use that module, the kernel panics and locks up the>> >> >> computer. It is an old card, but runs my scanner just fine. It used>> >> >> to work correctly and now it only works after boot and crashes after>> >> >> the first suspend resume cycle. I can do it by hand and can also>> >> >> blacklist it so I cna load it when I need it, but it should be able>> >> >> to be automated, this is a regression.>> >> |>> >> 2. ||The Gnome login >> screen needs a suspend time out. As it is, I have>> >> my users set auto >> suspend after 30 minutes. It would be nice if I>> >> could set that for >> The Gnome login screen as well via the Gnome UI>> >> somehow. It has >> been this way for a while and it is a regression, IMO.>> >> 3. The Gnome >> login screen does not have a suspend option. All I can do>> >> is shut >> down or reboot from the login screen.>> >> 4. The openjdk-*-jre install no >> longer has a .desktop file for right>> >> clicking and launching *.jar >> files in Nautilus, it must be created>> >> by hand to run these files.>> >> >> 5. Please, please, please name all programs in the UI the same as the>> >> >> cli... Please. It is tough to click and try to launch something in>> >> >> the UI, have nothing happen then if you want to diagnose the>> >> >> problem, you need to grep all over the internet to find out what the>> >> >> program name is to be able to launch from the command line to see>> >> >> what errors are occurring. I do not have a specific example right>> >> >> now, but could find one if you need. I think one of them is 'files'.>> >> >> Just call it 'nautilus'.>> >>>> >> Keep up the good work.>> >>>> >> Keith>> >> >>>> >>>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Ali/amjjawad >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>>>> >> >> <mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>>> wrote:>> >>>> >> Dear >> everyone,>> >>>> >> Before we start the planning for this cycle (Wily >> Werewolf - 15.04),>> >> I'd like to run this survey before anything >> else:>> >>>> >> https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time/>> >>>> >> It >> would be very important for me and everyone else to understand>> >> what >> we have done, what we are doing and what we are suppose to do>> >> in >> the future. Above all, we do need to understand what *OUR USERS*>> >> >> think :)>> >>>> >> I am having very limited time to spend so if the >> survey is bad or>> >> lack some questions, etc .. please keep in mind >> that this is what my>> >> time allowed me to do. I think I did my best >> and I'd like to>> >> apologize in advance for any inconvenience.>> >>>> >> >> You can *ALWAYS* write to us and send your feedback here, on this>> >> >> mailing list:>> >> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs>> >>>> >>>> >> and/or >> *FEEL FREE to contact me* :)>> >>>> >>>> >> The survey should *NOT* take >> more than _*3 minutes*_ from your time.>> >>>> >> *Here is the direct >> link:*>> >> http://goo.gl/forms/sXdsxPIkfZ>> >>>> >> You can only >> answer it ONE time so please, make sure to read the>> >> questions >> carefully ;)>> >>>> >> Thank you so much!>> >>>> >> -->> >> >> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us.">> >>>> >> Best >> Regards,>> >> Ali/amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>>> >>>> >> >> *http://kibo.computer* - http://torios.net - Ubuntu GNOME>> >> >> <http://ubuntugnome.org/>>> >>>> >> -->> >> Ubuntu-GNOME mailing >> list>> >> [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>> >> <mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>>>> >> >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:>> >> >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>> > -->> > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list>> > [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>>>> > >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> > >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome>> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list >> [email protected] >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome >> >> > > -- > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list > [email protected] > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome > >
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