Hi Tom
Indeed what you have described is what I had in mind in the beginning and I had the computer display guides in a very polite manner, including its alerts and prompts to the user. But like you have said, its no simple matter. .." So, the guide lets the person know they can choose to click on "Open File". The person then instructs the computer by clicking on "Open File". The computer then lets it's boss know there are options by showing a dialogue box. So, the guide needs to let it's equal, the human, know. " Ok, so in the above case Tom, what would you say in English ( assume you were doing the translation to English for the first time, if you see what I mean), is the guide "Open File" (before its clicked) supposed to be respectful to the user? Would another English version be "Sir open the file here", assuming 'Sir' meant a genderless term for someone older? Thanks Anthony From: "Tom Davies" <[email protected]> To: [email protected], [email protected] Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 2:10:34 PM Subject: Re: Who speaks Frist: Human or Computer Hi :) Ubuntu is about respect and equality with a bit of friendliness. I think there are several different questions in the original question. I am not sure we all agree on Documentation and guides are hopefully meant to be equals talking to each other. The guides and documentation are acting as though they are suggesting advice to a colleague of equal status or possibly advising a superior. In English we have things like "You could try this" or "You might like to try" instead of "You must" The computer and the operating system should be subordinate to the human user in much the same way as a pet is (at least ostensibly) subordinate to their human. So, dialogue-boxes are a subordinate asking a superior for clarification about orders the human has given the machine. So, the guide lets the person know they can choose to click on "Open File". The person then instructs the computer by clicking on "Open File". The computer then lets it's boss know there are options by showing a dialogue box. So, the guide needs to let it's equal, the human, know. I don't think this is a simple issue. The computer and the guides should be respectful towards the human user. However, occasionally the guide needs to jump up and warn the user that they MUST do a certain thing. This would be a bit like a body-guard shoving the boss out of the way in order to prevent the boss getting hurt. Sorry, i'm not sure that helped at all! Apols and regards from Tom :) --- On Mon, 7/5/12, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Who speaks Frist: Human or Computer To: [email protected] Date: Monday, 7 May, 2012, 11:35 Hello fellow translators, I have hit what I might call a big problem with my language, Bemba. In this language, the way we address a young person is different to the the way we address an older person in speech and writing. When I started to translate Ubuntu from English to Bemba, I assumed that the computer is telling the user what it can do and so is in a way talking to the person first. Because of this, I chose to use the respectful alternative to addressing a human user. This way the computer will always sound like it is not being rude to the user. This approach has presented a small problem with some people who have reviewed some of my translations. They are of the opinion that I should always assume that the user is telling the computer to do something, thus the instruction should be like a human talking to someone they supervise in order for them do have something done for them. The respectful manner should only be used by the computer when it displays something as a reaction to the user input. An example is 'Open File'. The question is: In this case, is the menu item in the computer application telling the human that it able to open a file or it is the human who is telling the computer to open the file? I ask this because depending on which is which, my translations approach will have a whole new twist and I would have to re-check my approach. Please advise if any of you have such a language challenge and what side you have taken: Is it the human that tell the computer what to do such that its responses are only when a dialogue box opens or it is the computer that tells the human what it can do and so seems to 'speak' first and advises the human of what it is able to do? Many thanks for any help. Anthony -----Inline Attachment Follows----- -- ubuntu-translators mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
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