I understand the issue but I really don't think the current situation exists because of the ported number transit charge...
Sent from my iPhone On 13 Jun 2013, at 13:23, "Christian de Larrinaga" <[email protected]> wrote: > The problem is that users like Nigel and myself are disadvantaged as > they want to retain numbers but find they cannot control the quality of > service in doing so. > > I don't know what the rates are today but in 2007 Magnus Kelly gave a > very clueful presentation at UKNOF8 that shows the carrier holding the > number range of a ported number retains .8p per min (I think he was > being specific to mobile numbers) > > See slide 7 http://www.uknof.org.uk/uknof8/Kelly-Mobile_portability.pdf > > That is architecturally significant ;-) > > > Christian > > > > Neil J. McRae wrote: >> I have no idea about those rates, what I can tell you is that unless this is >> addressed in the architecture (as done in other countries) then any other >> solutions will have significant pitfalls and a unit cost explosion - given >> the margin direction on voice generically I don't think that's in anyone's >> interest. >> >> That probably means a different set of winners and losers that the prior >> proposal would have but ( personally speaking I agree with some but not all >> of voda's points) it would mean a sustainable platform in the medium term. >> >> Regards >> Neil >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 13 Jun 2013, at 09:24, "Christian de Larrinaga" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Can you remind me the termination rate fee the originating carrier >>> receives for these "ported" redirections to the new carrier? >>> >>> >>> >>> Christian >>> >>> Neil J. McRae wrote: >>>> You can't just "fix" this without addressing other issues in the PSTN >>>> architecture. >>>> >>>> Neil >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 12 Jun 2013, at 18:41, "Christian de Larrinaga" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The spineless attitude in Ofcom to porting is seriously inadequate in my >>>>> humble opinion. >>>>> >>>>> There should be a national porting service that ENUM like would manage >>>>> the routing without having to ingress into a legacy supply chain. >>>>> >>>>> Other countries manage it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Christian >>>>> >>>>> Nigel Titley wrote: >>>>>> On 12/06/2013 14:34, Gavin Henry wrote: >>>>>>>>> The ITSPA members list is a good place to start >>>>>>>>> http://www.itspa.org.uk/members.shtml Some people on here are more >>>>>>>>> wholesale. >>>>>>> Hi Nigel, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also check out those with the QMA symbol as that will shorten your list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some things to check before moving away: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Your phone numbers; will you be porting them away? >>>>>> It would be less hassle than informing several thousand customers... so >>>>>> yes >>>>>>> 2. If yes, were they ported to Gradwell or are they brand new? >>>>>> They were brand new and assigned to to us by Gradwell >>>>>>> 3. If new, then the Ofcom range holder is probably Telephony Services >>>>>>> which means legally when you move away the calls still come into >>>>>>> Telephony Services/Gradwell/AQL and then bounce back out with a >>>>>>> special prefix for the new provider. That's how porting works. >>>>>> Hmm.... >>>>>>> Therefore, if they have network issues or downtime in the core then >>>>>>> the calls won't get sent back out to the new provider even though >>>>>>> you've moved on. >>>>>> That's more than a little annoying... but I can see why it would be the >>>>>> case. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the information >>>>>> >>>>>> Nigel >
