On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 06:33 PM, Luis de Santos wrote:
Well, you will loose the abilities of your "wings" card, but other than that, IMO I think the only other "challenge" would be a challenged user.
Although technically a "supported" platform, I do think there are challenges
to using this system for OS X.
UGG!, I'm beginning to think the requirement of "built in USB" is an urban legend.
Apple "officially" lists a Power Mac G3 as "supporting" Panther, but right
at the end of the list of requirements is built-in USB. Last time I
checked, there wasn't such a thing on >any< G3. I am also getting differing opinions on the useability of OS X running on a500 mhz G3. Some say it is just fine, some say it is unuseable.
I have never found any device that claimed to ONLY work with built in USB, that will not work off of the the PCI USB card that I have installed in my 8600/G3 or my 2 Beige G3/DT's. I've run cameras, scanners, mice, keyboards, joysticks, printers, etc., etc. all that claimed to require "built in USB". If I add a PCI USB card then does it not, in a sense, become "built in". Or do you mean OEM manufactured to the MOBO? I think what they mean by "built in" is actually a USB connection that is system powered (such as a PCI USB card) verses one that is self powered via an external power supply. The only problem I see being with the PCI USB, is that any device plugged into it will not be available until USB extension loads during start up (usually late in the process). IF your USB keyboard is the only way to fire up, well you may have a problem, but I'm sure there will be a work around. If we're talking PM G3 here, I don't think it's an issue. Of course, there may also be Apple "induced" issues with panther in relation to USB and our ability to run it on technically unsupported machines. In which case, all of the above maybe moot as well. As far installing Panther is concerned, it looks awesome, but I'm slowly awakening to the possibility that 10.2.8 may have reached the summit of upgradability on anything I have powered up around here. Well that's been my 2 bytes worth on "built in USB".
I am also getting differing opinions on the useability of OS X running on a500 mhz G3. Some say it is just fine, some say it is unuseable.It will be just fine. All of my above mentioned machines are running at 500mhz. All are running 9.2.2 & 10.2.8. All have 16 meg ATI rage cards & maxed out on board Vram, as well as maxed system Ram. They all run 10.2.8 very well. All Have 17 in monitors (all set at millions at 1024 x 768) and one of the G3/Dt's is set up with dual monitors, sometimes I put a second 17 on the 8600 as well. Like I said they all run 10.2.8 just fine.
Those that say "it's unusable" have a fundamental misunderstanding of the basic functioning of the OSX operating system. I wish they would STOP comparing OSX to OS 9.x, period. OS 9 and OSX are completely different animals.
In the simplest of explanations; The thing that has made OSX a natural direction for apple to take the mac OS into, is something called Pre-emptive multitasking & protected memory. What this means, In essence, is that OSX is the first mac OS that can actually walk & chew gum at the same time. "Speed", as we all knew it under OS9 and previous, now becomes only a relative issue. Overall system wide "performance" is the real issue. As apple puts it: "a single metric such as clock speed fails to represent actual performance improvements produced by unique architectural innovations" . If you want the complete geek speak on this, I can email you the appropriate apple tech manuals on the subject. A faster processor and system bus (than a 500mhz/G3) would indeed give a greater overall system performance, but it is not an absolute necessity for OSX. Suffice to say, opinions are like.....well everyone has one.....and this has been mine ;-)
-T-
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