Hi Carlo,
Good points indeed.
Carlo: "Realsoft3D for me should have nothing to do directly with PM nor
with any other 3d apps, maybe a good import/export feature are welcome."
By Officially integrated - I meant Import / Export, maybe I used the wrong
words. So we agree on that. But is this above statement a bit elitist
- is it not. To say RS should have nothing to do with other apps - these
days no app is an island. You have specialist apps like Vue and Bryce and
Messiah - all focused on one aspect of 3D. Whats wrong with this. Surely it
would only expand the RS user base by having useful import / export
functionality and alliances with such apps. By user base expansion, new
ideas and thoughts would come to pass. This is all healthy. It also would
be healthy financially for realsoft I could imagine - by my simple
economics anyway. More users more profit more money back into our favourite
3D app.
Carlo: "New users reading this list can get a bad vision of what Realsoft3D
can do and what not."
Are they not going to discover this any way. Please give them more credit
than this. I am not trying to bash Realsoft into the ground, quiet the
opposite - I am passionate about this app and want to see it GROW. By
taking other apps into consideration and also constructively criticizing
things about RS should not be seen as divisive, but seen as positive. What
this statement above is saying - "shh, dont let anyone know that we are
normal, lets all smile and make like we are happy families". I thought the
reason for the list and IRC is to vent thoughts and opinions - positively
or negatively about RS, freely. If so this is to be admired.
Carlo: "If possible, try to be more constructive about Realsoft3D itself
instead of say that this software is better than this one and so on."
No one is saying one software program is better than the other. What I did
say is that for example Messiah is a focused app and is specific to
Character Animation - and might be a good addition to RS as a plugin OR for
import / export. By no means am I attacking RS and saying its a duff app.
So many times I have said I want to see it grow and that it WILL remain as
the primary app I use for 3D, but I have misgivings about it - Character
Animation tools and lack of consistent usability of same, UVsets and
application to sharpened edges, a more comprehensive unassuming user
friendly manual for the non techy proggy type users among us. Surely I can
say these things, you may not agree with them OR you may know something
about later versions of RS that I or anyone else doesnt know feature wise
that satisfies you - but if problems exist currently perceived or not, at
least one surely is allowed to voice them.
Carlo: "the Realsoft3D's animation system is powerful enough to compete
with those too much 'enfatized' standalone (And not) 3d apps."
mmm .... I think you may get some alternative opinions aired re this one
Carlo. May I say - you are now knocking other apps here, the very thing you
preached against earlier [ too much 'enfatized' standalone (And not) 3d apps.].
The original topic of mails to the list was related to RS and Character
Animation. In a public top 3D magazine that all can see is the following.
This mag - 3D WORLD gave RS a resounding 9 out of 10 and have this quick
review every month:
"Enhanced Sub D Modelling and texturing make this a viable alternative to
better known 3D illustration apps. Still weak at Character Animation however".
Anyway - Carlo - this is healthy. Any of the above that I have said is by
way of debate and by no means an attack on YOU or Realsoft. I hope you take
my replies in the spirit given and long may robust argument be a feature of
the RS list and IRC - it is part of what I love about this community,
Cheers
Aidan
At 22:02 11/05/2006, you wrote:
Hi all,
While it may be great to share ideas and some different workflow between
different 3d apps, i found it a little controversial.
New users reading this list can get a bad vision of what Realsoft3D can do
and what not.
If possible, try to be more constructive about Realsoft3D itself instead
of say that this software is better than this one and so on.
I think RS and PM together has great possibilities. Even more so if they
ever got more officially integrated,
Wrong point, Realsoft3D for me should have nothing to do directly with PM
nor with any other 3d apps, maybe a good import/export feature are welcome.
While lacking of some important features (I'm sure we will have them
implemented shortly), the Realsoft3D's animation system is powerful enough
to compete with those too much 'enfatized' standalone (And not) 3d apps.
Just my opinion.
Regards,
Carlo Lanzotti
----- Original Message ----- From: "Aidan O Driscoll" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: How many peoples are already using projectmessiah besides me?
Hi Jean,
More to the point where were all you character animation heads when I
have been popping mails up every so often about the need for improved
char anim features in RS? [ Had to get the dig in :) ]
So you use PM with models from RS? Any way to point us at some animations
you have done. I for one would be interested to hear your workflow and
thoughts on this. Matthias has already added his thoughts, much appreciated.
If RS had focused character animation features like PM - wow - then no
need for any other app. I love RS for Modelling and I like the finished
renders. I am not too aggrieved at the render times, they feel ok to me.
Good to hear from another RS / PM user. Hints, Tips and tricks always
appreciated AND if possible added to the WIKI. Import / Export.
I think RS and PM together has great possibilities. Even more so if they
ever got more officially integrated,
Cheers
Aidan
At 16:51 11/05/2006, you wrote:
Wow, how many peoples are already using projectmessiah besides me? (here on
the realsoft newsletter)
I model in realsoft.
I texture in UVMapperPro.
I sleep on my chair.
I animate and render in messiahworkstation.
I don't understant why some people want to animate in messiah and export
back to realsoft or any other package.
Messiah is a standalone software now?
My main concern about chosing an application now is only rendering time.
To equal the rendering time of Messiah with Realsoft it would cost me 10
000$ in computer.
I think that since all 3D application are basicaly the same (more or less).
I mean you can do almost anything you can think of.
The only difference worth noticing is rendering time.
The choice of a renderer is a cheaper solution than buying better computer.
Pure raytracing is the best method. One day it will be the only methode used
(when cpu cycles won't matter). Maybe Realsoft should ofer a temporary
Hybrid-Method (Scanline-Raytracing).
I have abandoned Shade because the rendering times are too long.
I have never used Realsoft for rendering because it is too long (even
preview rendering).
With ProjectMessiah I do 20 times more test rendering.
That means a lot more control over the final image.
The main problem of Realsoft as many other applicatoin is not animation, it
is rendering time.
Jean-Sebastien Perron
www.neuroworld.ca
