On Sat, 2005-04-09 at 14:01 -0500, Peter Kupfer wrote:
> G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
> > On Fri, 2005-04-08 at 19:32 -0500, Peter Kupfer wrote:
> > 
> >>G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 11:21 -0700, Barry Vogel wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Hi 
> >>>>when i first save my work and then add more text or data in writer it 
> >>>>won't let me save in samefile name.  I have to save it  under different 
> >>>>file name.
> >>>>
> >>>>I find this to be very irritating.
> >>>>
> >>>>Barry J. Vogel
> >>>
> >>>I am sure you do. Please talk to your vendor as I do not recognize the
> >>>product you have.
> >>
> >>This has been covered like 50 times in this list. Perfect Pro Office is
> >>Open Office along with a lot of other things. It is OOo!
> >>
> > 
> > If a company take the product and re-labels it, it is the re-labeler's
> > responsibility to take care of their customers. Cosmi has its own
> > support department for Perfect whatever. 
> > 
> > If you wish to give unpaid support to these companies, go ahead but do
> > not expect others to be so generous. I mean $30 for what costs no more
> > than $5 including the packaging.
> 
> I understand your point, I guess I am not that bitter at these
> companies. Some yes, I have mentioned one in particular that I think is
> very bad.
> 
> Two responses:
> 
> 1) All of the support or you give anyways is unpaid. I don't
> differentiate between someone who bought the product at the store or
> someone who downloaded it. As I have mentioned, I learned of OOo through
> Platinum Perfect Pro Office, if I had come to list and been told that I
> can't get help because I bought the software instead of downloading it,
> I probably would have just say screw this and stopped using it.
> 
> I mean if someone who has dial up or only has access at a public
> terminal buys OOo through Cosmi you won't help them, but if they d/l the
> exact same thing you do help them? What is that? You are discriminating
> against people who don't have the ability to download the software.
> 

I see, we have distributors who issue CDs. I see no logic in your
argument.

> Do you ask every user you help where they got the software or if they
> have donated time or money to OOo?

No, only those who wish to profit by others work without recompense.


> 
> 2) Who cares where they got it. If we help them now, perhaps they will
> download the newest version. I bet, speaking from experience, most
> people don't really under stand what OSS is or that they can download
> OOo for free. It is a tough concept to get your head around (I equate to
> the concept that the universe is constantly expanding at the speed of
> light outward, I mean what is it expanding into?). OSS is an unusual beast.
> 
> However, if we help these people they will probably join us and become
> productive and useful members of our community. Or, if nothing else,
> they will spread the good word. Of the $30 that person paid, I doubt
> that Cosmi is making a huge profit. They have manufacture, ship,
> develop, and do a lot of other things. Then consider Office Depot's
> markup, they are not viscous criminals, but they are a business and they
> have to make money in order to keep going.
> 
> Just my $.02. I guess I am in the minority here.

As I said before, you can do what you want. I do not have a problem with
that. I do have a problem with you expecting me to do what you do. I am
not in the business of giving away my efforts to for profit enterprizes
for no pay. 


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