Bill Joy from Sun once said: innovation happens elsewhere. I think
that the where elsewhere isn't, it is the JCP. Standardization is just
antithetical to innovation. Once something is fixed in brick/mortar
how can you innovate? Wicket is very comfortably located elsewhere.

Martijn

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Igor Vaynberg <[email protected]> wrote:
> we like the agility that the independence from any sort of a standard offers 
> us.
>
> -igor
>
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Hoover, William <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Judging by the responses (or the lack thereof), It seems as though there 
>> isn't enough support from the Wicket community to push for something like 
>> this :(
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
>> Thomas Mäder
>> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:57 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam
>>
>> I totally agree that the JSR process is horrid. However, Wicket could really 
>> use some more corporate credibility (which a JSR would provide).
>> The problem, I guess is that there are simply no corporate interests behind 
>> Wicket that would push the agenda. What wicket need is some evangelism, but 
>> I guess all the core people have real jobs. What we need is less talks 
>> titled "why wicket is cool" and more "cut your development costs in two with 
>> Wicket". From experience, I am totally convinced that you can save 50% off 
>> your development costs if you switch to wicket (from just about any other 
>> framework), however, I've yet to find a contracting job here in Zürich where 
>> wicket is asked for (it's JSF, or even Struts).
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Johan Compagner <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> And then come into the horrible voting/administive stuff? Long Release
>>> cycles that are controlled, features that are discussed over and over.
>>>
>>> Hmm
>>>
>>> On 12/02/2009, Hoover, William <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > Just out of curiosity... Are there any plans to push a JSR that
>>> > Wicket could follow. I think there would be a lot more acceptance of
>>> > Wicket if this was to happen :o)
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
>>> > On Behalf Of Martijn Dashorst
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:33 PM
>>> > To: [email protected]
>>> > Subject: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam
>>> >
>>> > We're happy to announce a lot of Wicket involvement at the upcoming
>>> > ApacheCon in Amsterdam (23-27 March 2009)
>>> >
>>> > First of all we have 2 training sessions available:
>>> >  - Introduction to Wicket by Martijn Dashorst on Mon 23 March
>>> > (http://tinyurl.com/aceu09wicket1)
>>> >  - Behavior-Driving Your Apache Wicket Application by Timo
>>> > Rantalaiho on Tue 24 March (http://tinyurl.com/aceu09wicket2)
>>> >
>>> > Both courses are hosted by core members. Martijn has co-authored
>>> > Wicket in Action and Timo has been involved with WicketTester and
>>> > JDave. There is no better team to get you and your team up to speed
>>> > with the finest Java web framework available and start cranking out
>>> > fully tested applications.
>>> >
>>> > Martijn will also present Wicket in Action during the normal
>>> > conference days. A quick introduction to Wicket's core features in just 
>>> > one hour.
>>> > But attending the conference will give you much more:
>>> > over 60 sessions covering your favorite Apache projects.
>>> >
>>> > Amsterdam is great, but Wicket meetups in Amsterdam are even better!
>>> > We're attempting to schedule a Wicket meetup during the conference
>>> > at the conference floor. Details will follow soon.
>>> >
>>> > Read more about ApacheCon EU 2009 here:
>>> > http://www.eu.apachecon.com/c/aceu2009/
>>> >
>>> > See you in Amsterdam!
>>> >
>>> > Martijn
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>> Thomas Mäder
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