VACList-Digest Thursday, January 17, 2002 Issue 184
Today's Topics:
1. Re: (Museum)"Wally's Gold World Traveler"
2. Re: 1959 World Traveler
3. Re: univolt and fuses
4. Re: (Museum)"Wally's Gold World Traveler"
5. Re: 60's model D.C. wireing
6. Re: 1959 World Traveler
7. Re: 1959 World Traveler
8. gas density + address change
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Message Number: 1
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:39:43 -0700
From: Gerald or Donna Shippen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: (Museum)"Wally's Gold World Traveler"
"Wally's Gold World Traveler"
Can anyone tell me what the gold anodization was? Paint?
Gerald Shippen
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Message Number: 2
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:22:21 -0800
From: Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 1959 World Traveler
Yep, it was cheaper than buying a cargo trailer he said. He's not on the
list so we can be catty. Paid $4000 for it from the second owner (original
Missouri title) and promptly burnt it in his folks' burn barrel. He didn't
take any interior pictures, but sent me a nice drawing of what it did look
like, and a description and listing of all the stuff inside, down to the
Ogden SS water filter (scrapped). To him it was "old stuff", and old is bad
- good is new.
Doug Rowbottom, when you go to the factory and take pictures, get the serial
number of Wally's gold trailer, too.
Later guys,
RJ
> From: Brad Norgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:36:40 -0700
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [VAC] Re: 1959 World Traveler
>
> RJ,
> You mean to say he gutted it to use it as a U-Haul? Auuggh! doesn't even
> begin to describe it. I don't suppose there are any interior pic's then?
>
> Brad Norgaard
> '59 Trade Wind
> Phoenix
> WBCCI #2699, VAC
>
>
>> Just when you've seen it all, something comes out of the blue.
>>
>> I get a lot of photographs of Airstreams due to the two websites. This week
>> I had someone send me some photo's of a .... 1959 22 foot World Traveler!
>> http://VintageAirstream.com/archives1/59WorldTraveler/59WorldTraveler.html
>>
>> Never heard of it? Only 7 were made in 1958-1959. The whole idea was for
>> use in Overseas Caravans. Idea never really caught on. They had dual axles
>> (only 22 footer with them), large tanks, large bath across the rear, large
>> wardrobes, International trim w/ dual 12 volt system (12v was very rare in
>> 1958), fully self-contained, high end appliances, etc.
>>
>> Here's the kicker. The guy bought it and promptly spent 4 days ripping out
>> the interior and feeding it to a burn barrel in Missouri, appliances,
>> fixtures and all..... Auuggh! He needed something to move to Florida
>> with.
>> The registration even had the World Traveler as the model name.
>> Just thought I'd share some of the fun....
>> Later,
>> RJ
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Message Number: 3
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:03:34 -0500
From: "Robert Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: univolt and fuses
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Gina
Did you get a 30AMP relay to put in the line, from the battery to the mac=
erator?
If not you need one. =20
Bobby
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From: gina terrell
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:26 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] univolt and fuses
Help!!!!!the maserator is hooked up to the battery, the hose is set to th=
e
composting drum, I have visions of no more poop hauling in my immediate
future when I try to flip the switch, nothing happens, I look at the fuse=
s
in the univolt the one to the battery is blown, great , no problem, I can
fix that, 4 fuses later We admit defeat.Why are our fuses blowing. can't =
run
the macerator without the battery. What do you Univolt/Electric Guru Guy'=
s
think? How can we fix this dilemma
Gina
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Message Number: 4
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:55:30 -0500
From: James Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: (Museum)"Wally's Gold World Traveler"
My wife and I were at Jackson Center this fall on the factory tour the gold
trailer is just that an anodized gold trailer ( or so we were told) and
unfortunately we were no permitted to even venture near all the nice old
trailers, they were strictly "off limits" I don't know if it was policy or
our tour guide , though he seemed like a really nice guy.
James
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Message Number: 5
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:14:42 -0500
From: Chris Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 60's model D.C. wireing
You would do much better buying paired stranded wire from a marine supply - the
marine wire is tinned to prevent corrosion ,and use the tinned shrink
connecters too, then its waterproof . Marine stuff is better quality than
automotive , often at a price , but for just wire , how bad can it hurt , and
it will last much longer .
Chris 67 caravel
Red wrote:
> Hi,
> Does anyone see any problem with using 12-2 with ground copper wire for the
> D.C. circuits? Like the interior lights and fans. The wire that was there
> was a 12 guage aluminum wire. Thanks for any feed back. Dave
>
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Message Number: 6
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:32:56 -0500
From: Matt Worner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 1959 World Traveler
Sounds like the guy who burned his old family Gutenburg bible because some guy
named Martin Luther scribbled in it.
What's he going to do in Florida, get a brain transplant and add to the geranium
population?
Maybe we can get this thread long enough to knit a noose!
Gotta go heave up dinner, now.
Matt
Webmaster wrote:
> Yep, it was cheaper than buying a cargo trailer he said. He's not on the
> list so we can be catty. Paid $4000 for it from the second owner (original
> Missouri title) and promptly burnt it in his folks' burn barrel. He didn't
> take any interior pictures, but sent me a nice drawing of what it did look
> like, and a description and listing of all the stuff inside, down to the
> Ogden SS water filter (scrapped). To him it was "old stuff", and old is bad
> - good is new.
>
> Doug Rowbottom, when you go to the factory and take pictures, get the serial
> number of Wally's gold trailer, too.
>
> Later guys,
> RJ
>
> > From: Brad Norgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:36:40 -0700
> > To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: [VAC] Re: 1959 World Traveler
> >
> > RJ,
> > You mean to say he gutted it to use it as a U-Haul? Auuggh! doesn't even
> > begin to describe it. I don't suppose there are any interior pic's then?
> >
> > Brad Norgaard
> > '59 Trade Wind
> > Phoenix
> > WBCCI #2699, VAC
> >
> >
> >> Just when you've seen it all, something comes out of the blue.
> >>
> >> I get a lot of photographs of Airstreams due to the two websites. This week
>
> >> I had someone send me some photo's of a .... 1959 22 foot World Traveler!
> >> http://VintageAirstream.com/archives1/59WorldTraveler/59WorldTraveler.html
> >>
> >> Never heard of it? Only 7 were made in 1958-1959. The whole idea was for
> >> use in Overseas Caravans. Idea never really caught on. They had dual axles
> >> (only 22 footer with them), large tanks, large bath across the rear, large
> >> wardrobes, International trim w/ dual 12 volt system (12v was very rare in
> >> 1958), fully self-contained, high end appliances, etc.
> >>
> >> Here's the kicker. The guy bought it and promptly spent 4 days ripping out
> >> the interior and feeding it to a burn barrel in Missouri, appliances,
> >> fixtures and all..... Auuggh! He needed something to move to Florida
> >> with.
> >> The registration even had the World Traveler as the model name.
> >> Just thought I'd share some of the fun....
> >> Later,
> >> RJ
>
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--
Pam, Matt and Darrell Worner
WBCCI, VAC, WNJU & WDCU #4971
1975 31' Sovereign,
1976 24' Argosy (rear door)
2000 F-350 PSD
Hensley Arrow
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Message Number: 7
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:37:00 -0500
From: Jim Bounds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 1959 World Traveler
I agree, I too stress out thinking of the future with no classic vehicles
to appreciate and show the evolutionary trend of trailers and
motorhomes. It is a very real worry, one that has to be addressed.
The way I see it, to keep these and other classic beauties around, the
units will need to have more appeal than what we see in them as classic
originals. Society has grown past not being comfortable with their hi tech
toys around them in a styling comfortable place. The general public looks
at an old styled trailer or motorhome and says usually, "Wow, look at that,
man I guess the Partridge Family colors were popular back then but you need
sunglasses on to look at those colors today". With that altitude, the
units will be on a track of having a couple in the proposed museum and
nowhere else.
There will be no money to remanufacture replacement parts because there
will not be enough units on the road to make identifying the parts as
having enough demand to manufacture.
To stay alive and on the road, the classic trailers and motorhomes must
find a way to appeal to the more mainstream consumer. Not all of the
units, there will always be an interest for a certain number of original
units but there has to be a move toward updating and renovation to attract
the younger new market to help save us. This is the area I am looking at
and trying to build units to interest.
I have a cartoon on the wall in my garage that shows a beautiful Model A
passing a blown T bucket on the road, one says "stupid purist" and the
other says "lousy butcher". This is how most every classic vehicle club or
group is divided. The reality is though that neither could exist without
the other. Millions of dollars is spent in the hot rod industry
reproducing parts for Henry Fords Model A. Right now, you can buy most any
part needed to rebuild a classic Model A in either original condition or
wild and radical. Don't you wish this were true of vintage Airstream
trailers? I think it could!
We have the same problem with the classic GMC Motorhomes and the same 2
camps and how they look at their classics. The GMC though is a bit more
down the road of having companies ID key components and keeping them
available. This has been done with an original total production of only
12, 972. Having major companies see a market in producing products
targeting this narrow market is most encouraging for the future of the coach.
I'm not talking about building a second floor on the trailers or stretching
it but adding basic creature comforts that make them more comfortable,
convenient and interesting. I have had many compliments on the things I
have done to the interior of the 63 Tradewind I'm working on. I've added
new colors, textures, lighting and style ideas. I tried to capture the
60's styling, not just the Airstream 60's look but the 60's in general
(convex angles, symmetric accents, radiused corners, etc.) I think it
looks great, is very comfortable and takes in the current "retro" and
"techno retro" styling trends. If there were more attention spent of
building stuff like that, there would be parts and more interest in keeping
more as original. The values would raise and there would be more interest
and isn't that what we would all want?
Keep all the trailers pristine and completely original and they will
dwindle and eventually end up in a museum, make sure they make the building
big at the plane. Embrace diversity and recognize modified trailers as
much a part of the Airstream family as anyone else and they will survive.
Your thoughts,
Jim Bounds
P.S. Man, it really does stink that the ENTIRE interior was
crashed! Well, I guess we'll just have to start over on that one!
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Message Number: 8
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:42:55 -0800 (PST)
From: jon fitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: gas density + address change
Apparently, Excite is down for good, as I have been
unable to get my email for weeks. Fortunately, other
folks offer free email.
This post is being sent from my new address. If you
have sent stuff to me and wondered why I was so rude
as to ignore you, it's because I never got the email.
With all the discussion about CO, I got a detector and
also looked up gas densities, since I wanted to know
where to put it (high or low?)
Gas Specific Gravity (air=1)
N2 0.96
CO 0.97 (essentially neutral--will rise if hot)
O2 1.11 (must be why the dog spends so much time on
the floor)
CO2 1.53
C3H8 1.58 (propane--plus, its cooled by expansion)
Ciao
Jon in SC
68 Overlander
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