VACList DigestVACList-Digest Monday, July 1, 2002 Issue 351
Today's Topics:
1. Re: International
2. locating leaks
3. #1 RV Solar Electric
4. #3 Solar - More Choices
5. #2 Solar - Simple Solutions
6. #4 Solar - cost and opinions
7. Re:
8. Re:
9. Mortgage Rates Have Never Been Lower
10. Re: locating leaks
11. Re: Mortgage Rates Have Never Been Lower
12. Re: Mortgage Rates Have Never Been Lower
13. Re: Spamkiller
14. Re: locating leaks
15. Re: Spamkiller
16. Re: Mortgage Rates Have Never Been Lower
17. spammed
18. Suburban Furnace replacement?
19. Trailer Park in San Diego area
20. Re: Suburban Furnace replacement?
21. What about the 1936 Chrysler/DeSoto Airflow/Airstream
22. Re: Trailer Park in San Diego area
23. Re: Suburban Furnace replacement?
24. Re: Mortgage Rates Have Never Been Lower
25. Re:
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Message Number: 1
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:19:05 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: International
While the Travelall was the darling of the Airstream set as long as it was built,
International has not built anything smaller than a medium duty truck for close
to twenty years.
Charlie
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> Hello I have been a lurker here for quite some time and have A question that
> A friend had brought up, He had said the International models were coupled
> with A International Travelall when sold new as a Package deal, I told him I
> didnt think that was the case but would ask here.
> Mark N
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Message Number: 2
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:17:32 -0500
From: Dick and Kris Parins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: locating leaks
Andy wrote:
> The secret is the approach to it. Works every time.
So are you going to give us a hint?
Dick
'62 Bambi
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Message Number: 3
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:00:44 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: #1 RV Solar Electric
on 06/30/02 3:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> do you have photos of your solar set -up and could you describe the pieces and
> parts that make it work (with brand names,etc.) & prices.
>
Hi Jill,
No photos, but everything you ever wanted to know and see is available from:
http://www.rvsolarelectric.com
If you'd like a free solar planner and annual catalog from Noel Kirkby at RV
Solar Electric in Tucson, now is the time to call him (800.999.8520). He
can provide you with prices on his various solar packages.
You might also have your credit card handy and order his book: "RVer's Guide
to Solar Battery Charging" (less than $20). It's packed with common sense
information, plus there are pictures showing the special "feet" he created
for supporting solar panels on Airstreams.
His written instructions are very clear. If I had questions during the
installation, I'd call him on my cell phone while laying on top of my
Airstream with solar panels beside me and tools in hand.
If you're in Tucson and want the job done for you, keep in mind that if you
make an appointment first thing Monday morning when he opens and if you
arrive Sunday afternoon, there's a lot behind the adjacent building where
boondocking is doable.
> what all can you run off of your system?
>
Jill, mostly I run my electronic equipment, lights (fluorescent), a fan now
and then, plus the charging units for my appliances with their own
batteries.
> i would like to run a computer (printer, & occasionally a scanner), i usually
> boil my coffee water but sometimes use a plug in percolator, not a huge
> hair-dryer/curling iron user (but occasionally), occasional tv & vcr use,
> occasional microwave (but i wouldn't die without it), stereo, blender. gosh
> it's hard to remember all the electric appliances!
>
>From your above list, I wouldn't use solar power to operate any piece of
equipment whose sole purpose was to generate heat (percolator, hair-dryer,
microwave). Appliances that do their job by heat are power hungry and will
gobble your 12 volt supply like there was no tomorrow.
Another gobbler of power is the 12 volt blower on your propane furnace.
That's another reason to have a Catalytic Heater which doesn't use any 12
volt or 120 volt power.
While you are at it, exchange the 20 # propane bottles for 30#ers (perhaps
at Oasis RV in Tucson). These are all opinions and suggestions, even though
some may sound a bit bossy.
A two panel solar system should operate your computer, scanner, run your
television, stereo, vcr, satellite receiver (but not all of them at the same
time on the same day). Likewise, it will the recharge cell phone battery,
the Palm Pilot battery, the Makita drill battery and the electric shaver
battery, but not all of them on the same day.
A two panel system will operate a blender if used briefly on a sunny day.
Each of these appliances (in the last three sentences) will require that you
have an "INverter" (as opposed to a CONverter) if you want to operate them
off your batteries (notice I said batteries not battery). The inverter
changes 12 volt to 120 volt, while the converter changes 120 volts to 12
volts.
> most of oregon does not get a ton of sun but i like to look at the big picture
> which includes those months of the year that DO bring sun, and i will be
> likely going out of state for graduate school.. maybe california.. (but maybe
> somewhere just as sunless as oregon). i do not expect to be able to run all of
> my *luxury needs* off of solar full time and i'm not opposed to downsizing my
> habits, either.
>
On the Airstreams we don't use during the winter, the solar panels keep our
batteries fully charged even when they're under 3' of snow. I have been
inside them during cloudy/snowy days and have seen the red light on my
"battery guard module" showing that charging is occurring (not much, but a
definable input).
On the Airstream we use during the winter (in the south), the red light
shows charging is occurring when parked under a light bulb in a garage (when
Airstream repairs are being made).
Why do I mention that? For us, if there is daylight during 365 days a year,
then our panels are charging our batteries every day all year long.
If a day occurs when there is absolutely no daylight and it's nightime
during the day, then we're in a bind (and so is everyone else on the
planet).
Thus and therefore - the more panels and batteries, the more power is
available for use. On sunny days, we have margaritas from the blender and
clean the carpet with our high powered vacuum. On shady days, we use the
fluorescent lights and skip the margaritas. It's as simple as that. If you
are into having gauges detail your use of solar power, they'll tell you the
same thing (only more accurately).
I'll send three more emails to you on the topic of solar power. They are
handouts I've distributed in previous years when making presentation to
groups who are just becoming interested in solar panels.
I'll bet you didn't know you'd be getting more homework when you asked those
questions. That's the way it goes. The more you live, the more you learn.
Terry
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Message Number: 4
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:00:46 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: #3 Solar - More Choices
Hi Jill,
When we started getting serious about solar panels, I began keeping a
journal and would jot down notes periodically. Here's a summary of salient
points from several years of notes.
Terry
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When solar battery charging came of age, we were delighted and began
installing panels on all our Airstreams. Our goal was to have the choice of
planning our travels on the basis of where we wanted to go, not on the basis
of where there was an RV park with electric power. We wanted to
dramatically expand our freedom to be comfortable wherever we parked our
traveling homes. Prior to buying solar panels, we asked Noel and Barbara
Kirkby (RV Solar Electric) many questions. Their answers were most
revealing.
Q - Is it easy to add solar to an RV? A - Yes, RVs are a ready-made 12 volt
DC system. Just install the solar panel or panels and connect the wires
according to the do-it-yourself directions written in our "RV POWERPAC"
installation package.
Q - Is our RV already wired for solar battery charging? A - Yes, every
self-contained RV has one or more 12 volt batteries, 12 volt lights and 12
volt wiring. Simply connect the existing 12 volt system at the RV battery
location with special wire provided in our "RV POWERPAC" and solar battery
charging begins immediately.
Q - Is there a danger of overcharging the batteries? A - Our "Battery Guard
& Test Module" automatically monitors, controls charge and prevents battery
overcharging by cutting back the charge rate when it senses the batteries
are full. It allows owners to adjust the setpoints for level of fill.
Q - Where can I get it installed? A - Any RV or automotive service center
can follow detailed directions we provide. We recommend you read our
installation manual first, then decide if you feel you can do-it-yourself as
many other folks have done.
After having these and other questions answered by Noel, we wondered what
our RVing friends thought about answers they received. The opportunity came
at the Escapees RV Club's Eastern Escapade Rally in Harrisonburg, VA. We
visited with Noel, Barbara and their son Steve, went to their three
seminars, listened to actual examples and read all their literature. It
didn't take long to realize the Kirkbys were providing an unusually
insightful educational service to every RVer in the audience.
Whether RVers were just learning about or were highly experienced at using
solar power, Noel listened to each question before offering suggestions. His
answers were clear and understandable. He encouraged follow-up queries and
invited everyone to think about his answers before deciding what to do. At
all times, his attitude was professional. We later learned he had more than
40 years experience using solar energy in hundreds of practical ways.
We purchased our solar equipment from Noel Kirkby. It operates as he said it
would. Our only complaint is we should have done it sooner. With a modest
investment in solar panels and related materials that provide a controlled
charge to our deep cycle marine batteries, plus a 1300 watt inverter to run
all 120 volt appliances, our electrical needs are easily met. What we got
was far more than solar equipment and worth far more than the money we
spent. We are now living a delightfully adventuresome lifestyle. We are
routinely exploring more of the great treasures on this continent than would
have been possible without a simple, effective way to recharge our batteries
every single day.
The solar panels function on sunny, cloudy or rainy days; thereby enabling
us to operate all our 12 volt equipment every day of the year regardless of
where our Airstream is parked. Like most solar enthusiasts, we keep track of
usage so there's enough power for what we want to do before the next
sunrise.
Our 1300 watt inverter provides clean, surge free 120 volt power to operate
the computer, monitor, printer, microwave, electric drill, breadmaker,
vacuum cleaner and rechargeable tools. With planning and common sense, like
turning on only one 120 volt appliance at a time, our 12 volt batteries
provide power to the inverter for all our daily electrical needs. We are not
tied to utility poles with their fluctuating power and unpredictable
brownouts. We are never without sufficient electrical power to satisfy our
daily needs. All of our circuit boards (computer, printer, refrigerator,
bread making machine) can be protected from power surges by operating them
off our inverter with just the flick of a switch (to bypass utility company
power during electrical storms or persistent brown outs).
While planning our Fall/Winter/Spring travels for 1995 with our traveling
buddies Ed and Mary Wellington (also seasoned boondockers and solar
enthusiasts), we decided to challenge our assumptions and put the solar
equipment to the test. We chose an area of the Arizona desert we'd never
explored and stayed on vacant government land and primitive parking sites
around Ajo and Why, Arizona. The panels generated more power than we used.
A month later, the four of us explored Puerto Penasco in Mexico south of
Lukesville, AZ before crossing Mexico's Gran Desierto and staying at family
run primitive campsites around San Felipe. Solar power was still abundant.
We then crossed the state of Baja California North to Ensenada and leisurely
drove the 1,000 mile Baja Peninsula highway south to Cabo San Lucas. During
those months, we found safe places to park our Airstreams at the water's
edge on exquisite beaches, all without electrical hookups. At Santispac
Beach on Bahia Concepcion, Ed's electric drill helped make needed repairs to
our truck. At a remote area on beautiful El Coyote Beach, Mary's microwave
made delicious desserts. The aroma of fresh bread baked by our 120 volt
bread machine in our own Airstream told us "home is where we park it."
After returning to the Yuma Escapees Park and parting with the Wellingtons,
we traveled by ourselves to Guadalajara for Springtime weather during the
remainder of Winter. Our assumptions had met the challenge. Our hopes for
electrical independence had been resoundingly confirmed.
It is now Winter 2000 and we're in Florida where power spikes and brown outs
are common. We use the inverter to run our computer and bread maker even
though connected to a utility pole. The circuit boards in these appliances
have strong aversions to power interruptions and the electrical surge that
follows.
We thank Noel and Barbara Kirkby for enabling us to achieve true electrical
independence, for answering all our questions and encouraging us to take and
explore the roads less traveled. They are true pioneers of solar power
usage. Serious RVers wishing to learn more should contact RV Solar Electric.
Noel's free annual newsletter "Solar Electric Update" is available by
calling RV Solar Electric at 1-800-999-8520. His web site can be viewed at
http://www.rvsolarelectric.com and the Kirkby's book "RVers Guide to Solar"
and their solar planning booklet "Solar Electric Systems" provide guidance
to what is a simple solar solution for electrical independence.
For us, the use of solar technology has made RVing much more enjoyable
whether with our smaller Vintage Airstreams while caravanning or our larger
more modern Airstreams while full timing. This simple technology has given
us far more choices.
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Message Number: 5
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:00:46 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: #2 Solar - Simple Solutions
Hi Jill,
This is the first of three postings about solar panels and written during
the Winter of 2000. If they are helpful to you - be my guest.
Terry
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SIMPLE SOLAR SOLUTION
Originally, we began using solar power because of nostalgia for specific
primitive campsites in the state park system. Our most memorable times were
those early years in the 60s of tenting and tent trailering in NYS Parks
when we used a Coleman lantern and stove. We didn't have any need for
electrical power. Then, with our first travel trailer in 1965, we began
using deep cycle marine batteries in the trailer and when they became
discharged, connecting them to an auxilliary battery in our truck. This
started our search for a better way to recharge the trailer batteries every
day.
The best system occurred after we learned sunlight could be converted into
battery power. As conservative users of electricity, we found one solar
panel provided a generous flow of 12 volt power on sunny days. Unexpectedly,
we learned on rainy days, it generated sufficient 12 volt power to replenish
what was being used by the radio and lights. As our experience using
sunlight to recharge RV batteries evolved, we learned the following:
A - WITH TWO PEOPLE, ONE DEEP CYCLE MARINE RV BATTERY, ONE 53 WATT SOLAR
PANEL AND NO OTHER SOURCE OF POWER, WE HAD SUFFICIENT SOLAR POWER FOR:
1 - use of CB radio on emergency standby 6 hours daily,
2 - use of AM/FM radio during news and weather segments twice daily,
3 - use of one fluorescent light turned on from dusk to bedtime,
4 - use of water pump to wash selves and dishes, no showers and using
campground toilets occasionally,
5 - fully recharging one battery during daylight hours on either sunny or
rainy days.
6 - Use of a permanently mounted Solar Guard gauge showed incoming solar
power equaled consumption on rainy days and was greater than consumption on
sunny days.
B - WITH TWO PEOPLE, TWO DEEP CYCLE MARINE RV BATTERIES, TWO 53 WATT SOLAR
PANELS AND NO OTHER SOURCE OF POWER, WE HAD SUFFICIENT SOLAR POWER FOR:
1 - use of CB radio on emergency standby 24 hours daily,
2 - use of AM/FM radio and/or TV during news and weather segments three
times daily,
3 - use of 1 fluorescent light turned on from dusk to bedtime with minimal
use of 2nd fluorescent light,
4 - use of water pump to wash selves and dishes, to take two Navy showers
daily and to flush RV toilet,
5 - fully recharging two batteries during daylight hours on sunny days.
6 - two hours use of inverter during peak sun to operate low amp items, i.e.
computer, monitor & printer.
7 - Use of a permanently mounted Solar Guard gauge showed incoming solar
power equaled consumption on sunny days.
C - WITH TWO PEOPLE, THREE DEEP CYCLE MARINE RV BATTERIES, THREE 53 WATT
SOLAR PANELS AND NO OTHER SOURCE OF POWER, WE HAD SUFFICIENT SOLAR POWER
FOR:
1 - unrestricted use of the CB radio,
2 - use of AM/FM radio, TV or video player two hours daily, plus limited use
of cooling fans,
3 - use of 2 fluorescent lights turned on from dusk to bedtime with minimal
use of 3rd fluorescent light,
4 - use of water pump to wash selves and dishes, to take two full showers
daily and to flush RV toilet,
5 - fully recharging three batteries during daylight hours on sunny days.
6 - three hours use of inverter before and during peak sunlight to operate
electronic equipment, i.e. the bread making machine, microwave, computer,
monitor, printer, blender and electric drill.
7 - Use of a permanently mounted Solar Guard gauge showed incoming solar
power was greater than consumption on sunny days.
D - WITH TWO PEOPLE, FOUR DEEP CYCLE MARINE RV BATTERIES, FOUR SOLAR PANELS
(THREE 53 WATT AND ONE 75 WATT) AND NO OTHER SOURCE OF POWER, WE HAD
SUFFICIENT SOLAR POWER FOR:
1 - unrestricted use of the CB radio,
2 - unrestricted use of the AM/FM radio, TV, video player and cooling fans
daily,
3 - use of 3 fluorescent lights turned on from dusk to bedtime with minimal
use of 4th fluorescent light,
4 - use of water pump to wash selves and dishes, to take two luxury showers
daily and to flush RV toilet,
5 - fully recharging four batteries during daylight hours on either sunny or
rainy days.
6 - four hours use of inverter before, during and after peak sunlight to
operate electronic equipment, i.e. bread making machine, microwave,
computer, monitor, printer, blender, electric drill and hair dryer.
7 - Use of a permanently mounted Solar Guard gauge showed incoming solar
power was greater than consumption on either sunny or rainy days.
BOTTOM LINE -- Since using solar panels, abundant electricity has freed us
from utility poles. Life is short and we want it to be great no matter where
we are. With our simple solar solution, taking the road less traveled has
become an even more exciting way of life, especially with a restored Vintage
Airstream.
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Message Number: 6
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:00:46 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: #4 Solar - cost and opinions
Hi Jill,
This post was in reply to comments by Richard, Dan and Daniel during the
Winter of 2000. In my opinion, the concepts are still as applicable today as
back then.
Terry
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The question of cost is always a factor. Here's my unabashed, biased opinion
<grin>.
Cost varies widely, dramatically and often without regard to logic. Those
who buy from retailers selling new products will pay the most. Those who buy
from businessmen selling used products will probably (?) pay less. Those who
buy from a discounted parts place (scavengered parts) will pay considerably
less. Those who buy panels off a wrecked Airstream in a junk yard will pay
even less. Those who buy from private owners who just want a few bucks and
have the buyer cart them off will pay the least (maybe). There are other
categories (rallies, hamfests, etc.), but these examples give a general idea
of where this line of thinking is going.
What I can suggest is that better than average prices can almost always be
found by investigating 12 or more sources, documenting the details
systematically and then comparing and contrasting the variables. The wider
the variety of sources, the better. This is easily done when several people
on an email list dig out the details locally and share them with the list.
The solar panels on our '77 31' were purchased during the 1980s from a
reputable businessman who was clearing out an over supply of used 53 watt
solar panels at a few dollars above cost.
This winter (2000), we've seen prices for 53 watt panels in the $200-$300
range. Over by Algodones, Mexico, there's a solar guy parked out in the
desert doing a land office business. I'm sure his prices are even less. At
the Hobo Rally last week in Blythe, the solar guy (AJL) was selling and
installing solar panels every day.
For an economical buy from the most honest and reliable solar guy we know,
RV Solar Electric in Scottsdale (800-999-8520) gets my vote, plus he
installs them and/or provides a booklet on how you can install them.
In my opinion, the cost of solar panels (and most everything else in this
world) is dependent on whether the buyer prefers traditional purchasing
methods or thrives on searching for treasures. I believe serendipity is
always alive and well, and all I need do is search, search, and search some
more, with great persistence. Almost always, I find what I look for, at the
price I want to pay, with the quality I want and rarely any surprises
afterwards.
Simple, huh? One more thing. By the time I'm ready to take out my wallet, I
usually know more about all aspects of the product I'm buying than the
salesman selling it to me. And, I'm no expert. Thus, if I don't understand
most of what a salesman is telling me, then it's not my time to buy.
Terry
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Message Number: 7
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:57:02 EDT
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Message Number: 8
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:18:01 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:
I see them (1383 lamp) in Camping World and Byerly catalogs. Other
camping catalogs should have them also.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 10
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 09:26:57 -0400
From: Chris Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: locating leaks
James Greene wrote:
>Tuna, I've heard that some RV dealers have a blower which can be attached to
>a RV to create a positive pressure inside. Then they spray on a soapy water
>solution and look for bubbles. Pin points where the entry point is quickly
>and no guess work so a fix can be made. Probably wouldn't be too difficult
>for a handy do-it-yourselfer to rig up something similar. I have an old
>salvaged squirrel cage furnace blower that I'll bet could be made to work.
There are a few pictures of a device like this here:
http://www.rverscorner.com/info/raintest/raintest.html
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Chris Bryant
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Message Number: 11
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:56:44 -0500
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Message Number: 14
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:47:59 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: locating leaks
Dick. I can talk much faster than I can type. We have been told that "call
me" MUST no longer be used. Therefore, since it would take me a couple of
hours to type the procedure, I must decline, since I don't have that much
time to sit at a key board.
In short, use a methodical approach to it. Start looking between main bows.
Make super sure that "ALL" of the roof gaskets are good. Amazingly, almost
everyone forgets to look at the "vent pipe covers." Probably they are the
culprit half the time. Next is clearance lights. Second to last, is missing
rivets. Awning rails are also a large culprit. Lastly, the seams have all
been sealed from the inside when the shell was made. To place a sealer at the
seams, and hope for some sort of magical "wicking," usually is a waste of
time, but does sell a lot of sealer, and can't wick up to surround the
rivets, let alone seal the interior seams.
Flooding a small area at a time, without using a nozzle, starting at the
bottom of the coach, staying between two main bows, and "sloooooowly" working
your way up, will 99 % of the time locate the leak. One must remember that
when the leaking area is hit with water, it takes time to appear on the
inside.
Exterior leaks should be repaired or sealed with "Par-bond" or "vulkem."
NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, any form of "silicone sealers."
Local refinements of this process, will take care of the last one percent.
Andy
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:50:52 -0500
From: "Tom Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> What Spamkiller program are you using?
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Message Number: 16
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:31:28 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mortgage Rates Have Never Been Lower
Looks like Terry might have caught a virus that resent some spam he
received.
Roger Hightower
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
Mesa, AZ
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Message Number: 17
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:04:01 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: spammed
Don, Yes we are, I have received a couple signed by tylerbears with an
attachment. That attachment crashed the computer. They are coming thru VAC. I
just delete the ones with attach. now. As the VAC list isn't supposed to
allow them.
J. L.
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Message Number: 18
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:39:32 -0500
From: "Jim Combs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Suburban Furnace replacement?
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I'm need to replace my Suburban model NT32FCA.
The label on it says "30000 Input BTU per hr"
and also "24000 Bonnet cap BTU per hr".
What's the current model line's equivalent --
the NT-30SP, the NT-24SP, or what?
Thanks,
Jimbo / '76 Sovereign
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Message Number: 19
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:14:50 EDT
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Thanks
Tom Fairbank
1969 Tradewind
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Message Number: 20
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 15:08:23 -0400
From: Chris Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Suburban Furnace replacement?
Jim Combs wrote:
>I'm need to replace my Suburban model NT32FCA.
>The label on it says "30000 Input BTU per hr"
>and also "24000 Bonnet cap BTU per hr".
>
>What's the current model line's equivalent --
>the NT-30SP, the NT-24SP, or what?
The NT-30SP is the direct replacement- pretty easy to install-
just need to build a small platform to raise the exhaust vent to match
the old one (the new one is smaller), and do a little duct work and
run a different LP line (I run a new piece of copper to the shutoff
valve beneath the trailer, and run it under the platform because the
gas hooks up on the right hand side of the new model).
I would also *highly* recommend buying the Dinosaur
electronics "board extender":
http://www.dinosaurelectronics.com/Extend-A-Life.htm - this will allow
you to mount the circuit board outside the furnace case- makes it much
easier to troubleshoot, and it will greatly extend the circuit board
life.
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Message Number: 21
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:10:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: What about the 1936 Chrysler/DeSoto Airflow/Airstream
Since we're on this thread - was there any connection
(as is suggested in Airstream: History of the Land
Yacht) that Airstream worked with the Chrysler Corp.
in the 30's?
I think the book suggests that the streamlined
Chrylser/DeSoto Airstream/Airflow was the "official"
puller, although, by todays standards that seems
unlikely.
Just curious.
Toby
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> Heh, that's a good one. International Travelall's
> were often used to tow
> Airstreams, that's the combo my grandparents bought
> in 1961, but it always
> required two separate trips to two different
> dealers.
>
> No evidence exists right now that there was any
> coordinated effort by
> Airstream or International dealers to pair them up.
> 2 local dealers may
> have put them together in front of their lots or at
> a county fair, but
> that's probably about it.
>
> RJ
> VintageAirstream.com
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:24:45 -0700
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66 Airstream Safari=20
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Message Number: 23
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:29:01 -0500
From: "Jim Combs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Suburban Furnace replacement?
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Thanks very much, Chris. You're a wealth of information!
I'll be checking into that "extend-a-life" board too.
Jimbo / '76 Sovereign
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>
> The NT-30SP is the direct replacement- pretty easy to install-
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Message Number: 24
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:47:39 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Mortgage Rates Have Never Been Lower
Or is it a virus?? It came as an attachment to my mail??
Just Plain Polly
1964 Globe Trotter
Colorado
WBCCI 7113
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Message Number: 25
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 16:49:47 -0400
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:
What a HOOT! I hope to be looking at a 1950 Trailwind 22 foot serial # 1474
later on this week. What are the chances that two of these would surface at
the same time!
Scott
> Message Number: 8
> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 09:49:03 -0700
> From: "Alec Fisken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: 1950 Liner
>
> I just saw the following ad in the Spokane paper.
>
> 1950 22' AIRSTREAM Trlr 1469, good cond., no bthrm, orig. Byam stove oil
> heater. $4500 obo. 208-263-3925.
>
> It sounds like a fairly rare Airstream, so I thought someone on the list
> might be interested. From the phone number, it looks to be in Idaho. I
know
> nothing beyond what the ad says.
> Cheers -
> Kathy Fisken
> '72 Globetrotter
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