is this really nessicary for the public fourm?? shouldnt this be handled
with personal email rather then pulling us all into it??

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul L. Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:27 AM
Subject: [vchkpw] Re: Tom's fork of vpopmail (and qmailadmin)

> Robert Kropiewnicki writes:
> > I've spoken definitively to no such thing.  What Ken Jones will do now
> > that he has been granted admin access (bravo Tom!) is not at the core of
> > my argument.  My argument is that he has done enough in the past for
> > vpopmail development to warrant his inclusion as an admin.
> I disagree with you there.  What Ken did in the past prior to the
> last six months is sufficient to get him many mentions and many praises.
> And if he had continued doing the same in the past six months then he
> would still be project leader.  It is those past six months, and the
> responses from Inter 7 in the past few days, which are critical.
> I give you a preview of the next UK Olympics Selection Committee
> meeting...
>   A: who are we going to select for the 1500 metres?
>   B: I suggest Roger Bannister.  He was the first person to run
>   the mile in under 4 minutes.  He has a proven track record.
>   C: *groan*  Bad pun!
>   D: I want to know how he has performed recently.  Surely that is
>   important.
>   B: It doesn't matter how he has performed recently.  What matters
>   is that he used to be the best!
>   E: Do any of you bozos know that Roger Bannister is DEAD?
>   B: That doesn't matter.  What matters is that he once broke an
>   important world record.  Therefore we should select him.
> > Many of the projects I spoke about in terms of personal experience had
> > more to do with internal infrastructure projects.  Actually, it was
> > projects for external paying clients that would often be the reason they
> > were put on hold.  With any business, the needs of the paying clients
> > come first.
> You said it.  With Inter 7, as long as people keep paying them to install
> vpopmail BECAUSE they have their name on the project, their motivation in
> times of difficulty will be to divert resources to paying clients and let
> vpopmail development go unattended for six months.  In fact they DID
> let vpopmail development go unattended for six months and only paid
> attention to it once more when it appeared that the Inter 7 name would
> no longer be listed as its developer.
> If it takes that to motivate them into paying attention to this list then
> they are NOT good candidates for an admin position.  Because if they can
> delete the other admins then we return to a situation where vpopmail
> development is a lower priority than Inter 7's paying customers and can
> be neglected for half a year at a time.
> > For the most part I can agree with this argument.  If Ken were going to
> > have complete and total administrative control again to the exclusion of
> > Tom, I would completely agree with this argument.
> As I understand Tom's assessment of things, if Ken has equal powers
> to Tom then Ken can kick Tom out.  As I understand the mail from the
> Cat, that is something I consider to have a significant probability of
> happening.
> > However, as it stands right now, Ken and Tom are both listed as
> > administrators
> Can one administrator delete the other administrators?  Can one
> administrator copy the whole CVS tree then delete it?  As I understand
> it, Tom's only defence against a sneak attack of that nature is to
> maintain his own local CVS tree (which is a pain).
> Would Inter 7 do anything like that to re-assert the brand ownership
> of vpopmail so that they continue to be the first port of call for people
> who have problems and are willing to pay for answers?  I don't know.  But
> after the Cat's catty mail and Ken's equivocating mail I cannot deny the
> possibility.  That may be grossly unfair to Inter 7, but they are the ones
> who control what they did and what they wrote, not I.  If what they did
> wrote causes me, and many others, to distrust them then that is their
> fault.
> If I needed urgent support, so urgent that paying an outside consultant
> were warranted, then Tom would be top of my list and Inter 7 would be
> the very bottom, just below the option of selling my soul to the devil
> for an answer.  The position of Inter 7 on my list is absolutely nothing
> to do with anything that Tom has done and everything to do with what Inter
> 7 have failed to do for six months and have done for the past few days.
> As a user of vpopmail, I am no longer happy with an Inter 7 involvement of
> any kind.
> -- 
>  Paul Allen
> Softflare Support

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