ahem. likewise, or is the sauce only good for the goose?

At 03:55 PM 9/10/2003, VeNoMouS wrote:

is this really nessicary for the public fourm?? shouldnt this be handled
with personal email rather then pulling us all into it??

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul L. Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:27 AM
Subject: [vchkpw] Re: Tom's fork of vpopmail (and qmailadmin)

> > Robert Kropiewnicki writes: > > > I've spoken definitively to no such thing. What Ken Jones will do now > > that he has been granted admin access (bravo Tom!) is not at the core of > > my argument. My argument is that he has done enough in the past for > > vpopmail development to warrant his inclusion as an admin. > > I disagree with you there. What Ken did in the past prior to the > last six months is sufficient to get him many mentions and many praises. > And if he had continued doing the same in the past six months then he > would still be project leader. It is those past six months, and the > responses from Inter 7 in the past few days, which are critical. > > I give you a preview of the next UK Olympics Selection Committee > meeting... > > A: who are we going to select for the 1500 metres? > > B: I suggest Roger Bannister. He was the first person to run > the mile in under 4 minutes. He has a proven track record. > > C: *groan* Bad pun! > > D: I want to know how he has performed recently. Surely that is > important. > > B: It doesn't matter how he has performed recently. What matters > is that he used to be the best! > > E: Do any of you bozos know that Roger Bannister is DEAD? > > B: That doesn't matter. What matters is that he once broke an > important world record. Therefore we should select him. > > > Many of the projects I spoke about in terms of personal experience had > > more to do with internal infrastructure projects. Actually, it was > > projects for external paying clients that would often be the reason they > > were put on hold. With any business, the needs of the paying clients > > come first. > > You said it. With Inter 7, as long as people keep paying them to install > vpopmail BECAUSE they have their name on the project, their motivation in > times of difficulty will be to divert resources to paying clients and let > vpopmail development go unattended for six months. In fact they DID > let vpopmail development go unattended for six months and only paid > attention to it once more when it appeared that the Inter 7 name would > no longer be listed as its developer. > > If it takes that to motivate them into paying attention to this list then > they are NOT good candidates for an admin position. Because if they can > delete the other admins then we return to a situation where vpopmail > development is a lower priority than Inter 7's paying customers and can > be neglected for half a year at a time. > > > For the most part I can agree with this argument. If Ken were going to > > have complete and total administrative control again to the exclusion of > > Tom, I would completely agree with this argument. > > As I understand Tom's assessment of things, if Ken has equal powers > to Tom then Ken can kick Tom out. As I understand the mail from the > Cat, that is something I consider to have a significant probability of > happening. > > > However, as it stands right now, Ken and Tom are both listed as > > administrators > > Can one administrator delete the other administrators? Can one > administrator copy the whole CVS tree then delete it? As I understand > it, Tom's only defence against a sneak attack of that nature is to > maintain his own local CVS tree (which is a pain). > > Would Inter 7 do anything like that to re-assert the brand ownership > of vpopmail so that they continue to be the first port of call for people > who have problems and are willing to pay for answers? I don't know. But > after the Cat's catty mail and Ken's equivocating mail I cannot deny the > possibility. That may be grossly unfair to Inter 7, but they are the ones > who control what they did and what they wrote, not I. If what they did and > wrote causes me, and many others, to distrust them then that is their > fault. > > If I needed urgent support, so urgent that paying an outside consultant > were warranted, then Tom would be top of my list and Inter 7 would be > the very bottom, just below the option of selling my soul to the devil > for an answer. The position of Inter 7 on my list is absolutely nothing > to do with anything that Tom has done and everything to do with what Inter > 7 have failed to do for six months and have done for the past few days. > > As a user of vpopmail, I am no longer happy with an Inter 7 involvement of > any kind. > > -- > Paul Allen > Softflare Support > >

Paul Theodoropoulos http://www.anastrophe.com

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