DAve wrote:



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Patch smatch, if it's a patch everyone gets to beat qmail up and scream at each other about what a wasted never updated POS qmail is. So patches are bad bad bad. Only software that is poor and decrepit uses patches. But, let someone add that patch to the source code and bundle up a new package and suddenly every new user who posts a question is told "You need the latest version". I have seen this many many times on many many maillists.

We have not had to make a security update to our qmail installs in the 5 years we have been running them. All it took was running "patch < somediff" a few times ONCE during the initial install.

Lets be honest here, most minor version upgrades in OSS are the result of contributed patches (developer or user). Yet no one is claiming that vpopmail/postfix/perl/ruby/python is a patchy POS after we see the developers accepting patches from users and rolling out an upgrade.
I think it would be nice to feel like to owner/author of qmail was actually behind it. And to do that, he should be improving upon it - that is, accepting at least the patches that we all use. Obviously it's not a complete product, unless you can point me to a substantial 'stock qmail' userbase. Nobody can even provide binaries for the 'lessers' among us - so they will never use it.


I propose that someone create a shell script that installs qmail and a set of user selected "Modules" chosen from a menu. Vpopmail could be a "Module", chkuser could be a "Module", bigip could be a "Module". You could even rerun the script to add/subtract "Modules", much like Apache Toolbox. Maybe then people would get over their aversion to "patches" in qmail.
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Check out Matt Simerson's Mail::Toaster - I think the back end is even in CPAN now..
www.tnpi.biz.

I've totally felt like a 'Matt schill' lately, but IMHO what he has done just rocks.

Rick
Thank you, I feel better, you may return to your regularly scheduled list mail.

DAve


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