> > > The community
> > > has been willing to contribute and to develop velocity (a 
> *lot* of 
> > > things could / need to be done!) - but...
> 
> Where are the submitted patches from the community? 
> Seems mostly just idle talk. ;-)

  There are at least 2 patches I am aware of: First the one
to enable correct number-handling (including float and all the
other Java-Number-Types) submitted by me and the one that
adds Map-Support. But there were quite a few (just search the
archives!) From my point of view it is about *helping out*
instead of complaining! But I almost lost my interesst in
contributing in both, discussion and code. The only thing that
keeps me around is that I use velocity. And there are soo
many things that could / should be done. Number support, Map support,
Bugfixes, Whitespace-Handling, Refactoring of the codebase and so
on...
  
> > Guys, why don't you report the problem to the Apache leaders?
> Jakarta Jetspeed has been in beta-alpha-beta status for 
> almost 3 years. Struts 1.1 has been in beta/RC status for 
> ...ever. <grin>

  Of course that's no reason for velocity staying in 1.3.1rc2 since
it is well tested and "release-ready".
 
> As for Geir "disappearing", I'd say we just got spoiled with 
> the amazing amount of time he used to spend on this 
> completely volunteer project. 

  You've got a right point here. But there were soooo many discussions
about growing the commiter base and the development stalls for
many many months now.

> I'd like to see the 1.3.x build get a 'final release' moniker 
> too, but I doubt complaining to the "Apache leaders" and will 
> enthuse Gier or any other sane volunteer to spend more time 
> doing that work for free.

  As said above: There are some who want to contribute but cannot
because their patches are not reviewed or there is no development
plan.

> Open source is such a thankless job. ;-)

No, it isn't.

Peter 

> 
> Cheers,
> Timo
> 
> 
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