Re: [VFB] Guderbrod Thread Question

[Chuck Alexander]

Pete: It does not have that G in the rim, but I think you hit the nail on the head.. One of my main problems I've had since day one tying, is putting toooooo many wraps on whip finishes, cause I had a few come loose at first when they caught one or two fish, so, i thought "more is better" on the number of wraps in my whip finishes... So, like you say, instead of just tying off the knot, i was actually building a "head" and then, trying to tie that off, and it would come lose...I will try the lighter trick too.. Thanks a million, Chuck   ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Gramp To: vfb@troutnet.com Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Guderbrod Thread Question Hey, Chuck!  What type of thread is it?  I know the brand is Gudebrod, but some of their products are 'slipperier' than others.  If it is gel-spun (it has a G on the rim of the spool), you can take a quick pass of a lighter to melt it... but I almost always burn some hackle or something - like my goatee - if doing that.)  ;)  When you tie the whip finish, try to do it on bare hook-stem, continuing the thread in the same way it was wrapped just prior.  What else... hmm... 6 rotations is plenty for even the largest of flies -- one of my biggest faults 9at least with tying flies) is a monstrous head with a zillion wraps for the whip-finish.  The bulk of the knot keeps it from tightening fully, so it then comes loose and the fly starts to 'un-tie' itself.  It could honestly be any number of things, but they're the ones I've experienced firsthand, and I've seen it often in others, both older tyers and newer ones. Hope that this helps, and feel free to ask more questions - though I'll be out fishin' for the first time in literally months!  Best wishes and tight wraps, Pete On 9/30/06, Chuck Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Folks: It's probably something a "rookie tier" like myself is doing wrong, but when Nick brought up Guderbrod thread yesterday I think it was..Well, I tried that brand, and I CANNOT get the whip finish knot NOT to unravel.. No matter if I whip finish 3-4-5-6 etc rounds, if I snipped off the thread really close, it (the knot) would come unraveled, like some of the nylon ropes that there are that just will not hold a knot..Like it has more wax than it needed??? So, I have been using Uni Thread and Danville's with no problems..The thread (The Guderbrod) "feels" like great thread, so, am i doing something wrong??? Cause I have a few spools and hate to see anything go to waste, Thanks, Chuck