Yeah i made mention of videoblogging-universe.com earlier in this thread... and it was the first time I thought about RO for a long while. I enjoyed chatting with him back in the day. At one point, he and meiser and I were formulating a way to use his stuff through an open service- thats actually why SpreadTheMedia.org was born. But we just couldnt seem to keep momentum and RO left the scene.
Ok, I am going to email him ;) Sull On 2/9/07, Devlon Duthie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, I'd give one of my toes (maybe even two...) for Ro's source code. > > I haven't posted a vlog in a very long time, but when I did....yup, > every post had a thumb, just got used to it from the 'old days'. But I > think now with flash embeds, people forgot that the embed 'visual' > doesn't carry through to the feed and their feeds have no thumbs..... > > If nothing else, the thumbs give someone who isn't already interested in > watching your clip something that might entice them to watch. I've > found lots of new feeds to watch just from scanning thumbs....I can get > a glimpse of what's inside the media...helps with the glut of it all. > > -- > > Thanks, > Devlon Duthie > http://devlonduthie.com > > Find great independent video: > http://mefeedia.com > > Steve Watkins wrote: > > Ahar cheers thats where I had seen animated previews in the past but I > > forgot - Ro's flash thumbs - thanks for the reminder. > > > > Could you go into a bit more detail about the sorts of things youve > > done to ensure your feed looks good? How are you including a thumbnail > > for each post at the moment? > > > > I hope the momentum for improving on RSS can be rebuilt, there seemed > > to be a burst of activity a few years ago but not much progress since? > > > > Cheers > > > > Steve Elbows > > > > --- In [email protected] <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > Devlon Duthie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> This is a good point Steve, Ro and his flash-thumb things were freaking > > >> great....haven't seen anything beyond this. > >> > >> imho, it is were me, and it used to be :) as a content-creator, I found > > >> snapping a thumb of my clip and using it in my post, ad therefore in my > > >> feed took far less time than the value I found in making sure that the > >> feed looked good in the aggregators. > >> > >> I'd love to wait and see what crazy new thumb/flash thing that someone > >> builds, but for the time being it seems so simple and easy to have a > >> thumb for a clip in a feed. Spending as much time as I do around > >> aggregators, etc. the ones with thumbs for each clip look more > >> enticing.....it's all part of packaging really. People spend a ton of > >> time building out their blogs, video-content, etc.....but (in most > >> cases) spend very little time on the presentation of thier rss feed. > >> > >> Since rss (so far) is a huge part of the ditribution method of this new > > >> media I would think it would be very important to have a robust rss > >> > > feed > > > >> with as much metadata as can be jammed into it. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Devlon Duthie > >> -- > >> http://devlonduthie.com > >> > >> Find great independent video: > >> http://mefeedia.com > >> > >> > >> > >> Steve Watkins wrote: > >> > >>> Are static thumbnails any good for video really anyway? > >>> > >>> Are there any examples of, or people working on, something more than > >>> single frame thumbnails? Ive been pondering whether a better way of > >>> previewing video exists, I dont know as it does, but Im thinking about > >>> it anyway. > >>> > >>> Im also very excited about future much richer & nicer user interfaces. > >>> Microsoft stuff like WPF, WPF/E, AJAX/DHTML in general, and Apple > >>> stuff like Core Animation, are technologies that may help this a bit. > >>> Will certainly need thumbnails or preview animations of videos to make > >>> this experience decent, I hadnt realised that thumbnail in RSS stuff > >>> was still such an issue - big shame, doubt I can be much use helping > >>> with this, but full support to anybody who can, please :) > >>> > >>> Is there any need to provide more than one thumbnail for a post in the > >>> feed? Different resolutions etc? Is there anything in RSS at the > >>> moment for attaching artwork or icon to the whole feed (eg show > >>> branding? Any merit whatsoever for enabling people to sspecify a > >>> graphic for license info - eg is there any sense whatsoever to having > >>> people do their creative commons stuff as a seperate video animation > >>> or still? I was just musing about alternative video aggregators of the > >>> future and how they could display the license info for each video in s > >>> small seperate window? OK thats probably a silly idea, I dunno. > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> > >>> Steve Elbows > >>> > >>> --- In [email protected] <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > "billshackelford" > >>> <bshackelford@> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. > >>>> > >>>> --- In [email protected]<videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > sull <sulleleven@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> nah. > >>>>> encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. > >>>>> > >>>>> and consider using blip feeds (blip users). > >>>>> > >>>>> sull > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser <groups-yahoo-com@> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat > >>>>>> thing... > >>>>>> and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most > >>>>>> > > necissary > > > >>>>>> problem > >>>>>> first. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I.E. <img src="" rel=thumbnail> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> using this > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> rel=enclosure, > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> rel=payment and a host of others. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> like > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> audio, > >>>>>> and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Any objections to this? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -Mike > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 2/8/07, duthied2004 <duthied@ <duthied%40gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hey all. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> tried to > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> before.... > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> for their > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> entries....do you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the > >>>>>>> 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item > >>>>>>> elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> new ones. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> -Devlon > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> --- In [email protected]<videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> very hight > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not > >>>>>>>> "semantically" specified. This is to say they are not > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> specified in > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> search sites > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> eclosures > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> microformat > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> standard "rel=enclosure". There is no standards for huge > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> amounts of > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> supporting meta infromation like thumbnails, i.e. there is no > >>>>>>>> "rel=thumnail". > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> We're working on mechanisms not only to better identify > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> thumbnails in > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> blog posts, among other things, by creating a new media > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> Microformat. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> It should not only have a tremendous immediate impact for > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> people who > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> use services like blip, feedburner, mefeedia, fireant and > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> others, but > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> it should also put this control into YOUR hands if you like when > >>>>>>>> you're writing a blog post. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> P.S. Josh, I hope you'll collaborate on this media > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> microformat as well > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> as sharing other ideas on sharing thumbnail information. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Peace, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -Mike > >>>>>>>> mmeiser.com/blog > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 1/19/07, Peter Van Dijck <petervandijck@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hey Josh, I haven't checked that feature in like a year, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>> so it may > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> have > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> stopped working.. let Frank know if you have any questions > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>> about > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> that, I'm > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> sure he'd be happy to get it running again.. all my fault! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Peter > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 1/19/07, Joshua Kinberg <jkinberg@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi Bill, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> We're currently working on this issue and plan to have a > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>> big new > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> release of the FireAnt website in February. This new > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>> release will > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> support the Media RSS namespace for thumbnails. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Currently, we can grab thumbnails from blog posts if > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>> they are > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> included > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> in the link to the video enclosure file like this: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> <a href="http://link/to/video.mov"; rel="enclosure"><img > >>>>>>>>>> src="http://link/to/thumbnail/image.jpg"; /></a> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> We also have the ability to get thumbnail images from > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>> MeFeedia, > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> but it > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> seems that MeFeedia may have disabled this feature. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hope that helps explain... please stay tuned for our new > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>> website > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> update that will address this along with many other bug > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>> fixes > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> and new > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> features. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Best, > >>>>>>>>>> Josh > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> http://FireAnt.tv > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On 1/19/07, billshackelford > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> <bshackelford@<bshackelford%40gmail.com>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> My videos do not have thumbnails on FireAnt. It seems > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> they do > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> not > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> utilize the Yahoo Media > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> RSS namespace attributes. Is there a reason why? If > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> there is a > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> legal > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> reason.. why don't they > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> just come up with their own namespace? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I believe I read something about FireAnt getting > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> thumbnails from > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> Mefeedia but my > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> thumbnails show up Mefeedia fine. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know if there is something I can do to have my > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> thumbnails > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> show up on FireAnt? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Here is my channel on FireAnt: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> billshackelford.com podcast > >>>>>>>>>>> http://fireant.tv/directory/channel/22981 > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> Find 10000s of videoblogs and podcasts at http://mefeedia.com > >>>>>>>>> my blog: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/ > >>>>>>>>> my job: http://petervandijck.net > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Sull > >>>>> http://vlogdir.com (a project) > >>>>> http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) > >>>>> http://interdigitate.com (otherly) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) http://interdigitate.com (otherly) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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