Well, the truth is that both approaches should be used. So if the effort can encapsulate supporting mediaRSS and rel=thumbnail then we'll be in great shape.
Wordpress etc should natively support mediaRSS output. But a plugin is a good start. It could insert the rel=thumbnail and the feed could grab the same image for media:thumbnail. Feedburner needs to improve their support for thumbnails. Blip users should seriously consider using blip feeds instead of feedburner. Aggregators should do checks for media:thumbnail and alternatively, rel="thumbnail". Sull On 2/9/07, Devlon Duthie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Could you expand that a bit? > > How easy is it for a layman vlogger to set a thumb in their post, then > have it come out in the media:thumb element on their feed? I am not > being sarcastic, I haven't played with mediaRSS as a content creator and > am curious about the workflow...I'm still green in the mediaRSS world. > > Seems like until everyone adopts mediaRSS, or whatever comes out in the > meantime, adding 'rel=thumbnail' to an image tag is easy enough...even > for the layman. > > -- > Devlon > > > billshackelford wrote: > > I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. > > > > --- In [email protected] <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> nah. > >> encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. > >> > >> and consider using blip feeds (blip users). > >> > >> sull > >> > >> > >> On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat > >>> thing... > >>> and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary > >>> problem > >>> first. > >>> > >>> I.E. <img src="" rel=thumbnail> > >>> > >>> It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this > >>> somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. > >>> > >>> It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, > >>> rel=payment and a host of others. > >>> > >>> It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like > >>> audio, > >>> and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. > >>> > >>> Any objections to this? > >>> > >>> -Mike > >>> > >>> > >>> On 2/8/07, duthied2004 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <duthied%40gmail.com>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hey all. > >>>> > >>>> I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have tried > to > >>>> catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked > before.... > >>>> > >>>> But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for their > >>>> entries....do you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the > >>>> 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item > >>>> elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. > >>>> > >>>> Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new > ones. > >>>> > >>>> -Devlon > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --- In > >>>> [email protected]<videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > >>>> > >>> groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: > >>> > >>>>> There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. > >>>>> > >>>>> The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise very hight > >>>>> percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not > >>>>> "semantically" specified. This is to say they are not specified in > >>>>> standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and search sites > >>>>> like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... eclosures > >>>>> can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a microformat > >>>>> standard "rel=enclosure". There is no standards for huge amounts of > >>>>> supporting meta infromation like thumbnails, i.e. there is no > >>>>> "rel=thumnail". > >>>>> > >>>>> We're working on mechanisms not only to better identify thumbnails > in > >>>>> blog posts, among other things, by creating a new media Microformat. > >>>>> It should not only have a tremendous immediate impact for people who > >>>>> use services like blip, feedburner, mefeedia, fireant and others, > but > >>>>> it should also put this control into YOUR hands if you like when > >>>>> you're writing a blog post. > >>>>> > >>>>> P.S. Josh, I hope you'll collaborate on this media microformat as > well > >>>>> as sharing other ideas on sharing thumbnail information. > >>>>> > >>>>> Peace, > >>>>> > >>>>> -Mike > >>>>> mmeiser.com/blog > >>>>> > >>>>> On 1/19/07, Peter Van Dijck <petervandijck@> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hey Josh, I haven't checked that feature in like a year, so it may > >>>>>> > >>>> have > >>>> > >>>>>> stopped working.. let Frank know if you have any questions about > >>>>>> > >>>> that, I'm > >>>> > >>>>>> sure he'd be happy to get it running again.. all my fault! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Peter > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 1/19/07, Joshua Kinberg <jkinberg@> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi Bill, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> We're currently working on this issue and plan to have a big new > >>>>>>> release of the FireAnt website in February. This new release will > >>>>>>> support the Media RSS namespace for thumbnails. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Currently, we can grab thumbnails from blog posts if they are > >>>>>>> > >>>> included > >>>> > >>>>>>> in the link to the video enclosure file like this: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> <a href="http://link/to/video.mov"; rel="enclosure"><img > >>>>>>> src="http://link/to/thumbnail/image.jpg"; /></a> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> We also have the ability to get thumbnail images from MeFeedia, > >>>>>>> > >>>> but it > >>>> > >>>>>>> seems that MeFeedia may have disabled this feature. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hope that helps explain... please stay tuned for our new website > >>>>>>> update that will address this along with many other bug fixes > >>>>>>> > >>>> and new > >>>> > >>>>>>> features. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best, > >>>>>>> Josh > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> http://FireAnt.tv > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 1/19/07, billshackelford > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> <bshackelford@<bshackelford%40gmail.com>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> My videos do not have thumbnails on FireAnt. It seems they do > >>>>>>>> > >>> not > >>> > >>>>>>> utilize the Yahoo Media > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> RSS namespace attributes. Is there a reason why? If there is a > >>>>>>>> > >>>> legal > >>>> > >>>>>>> reason.. why don't they > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> just come up with their own namespace? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I believe I read something about FireAnt getting thumbnails from > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Mefeedia but my > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> thumbnails show up Mefeedia fine. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Does anyone know if there is something I can do to have my > >>>>>>>> > >>>> thumbnails > >>>> > >>>>>>> show up on FireAnt? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Here is my channel on FireAnt: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> billshackelford.com podcast > >>>>>>>> http://fireant.tv/directory/channel/22981 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Find 10000s of videoblogs and podcasts at http://mefeedia.com > >>>>>> my blog: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/ > >>>>>> my job: http://petervandijck.net > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Sull > >> http://vlogdir.com (a project) > >> http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) > >> http://interdigitate.com (otherly) > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) http://interdigitate.com (otherly) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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