Mike, if you read my more recent response, you would see that I pointed out the need for a plugin for blog engines, though it should def be a core feature, to output proper mediaRSS including thumbs. And I mentioned it wouldn't hurt to also include rel=thumbnail in the posts markup.
of course there needs to be an input mechanism for a thumb... but the point you are missing... is that the effort to get people to markup there posts with a rel=thumbnail should not come without it being wrapped into getting better support for mediaRSS and its media:thumbnail. If you are going to rally people to do something new, or for a developer to add a new feature... then at this point all that effort should be focused on mediaRSS and your rel=thumb or class=thumb or whatever can ride the coattails of such a campaign. Secondly, regarding blip feeds and my suggestion to use them over feedburner.... I am entirely talking about video feeds. VIDEO feeds. I call them vodcasts. In the context of this topic, re: video thumbs, I am not looking at users general feed needs. I am looking at their VIDEO feed needs. And for video, there is no better feed than blip's if you are a blip user. There is nothing wrong with offering subscribers a feed with all posts and a feed with strictly videos. So my suggestion stands. This is the Videoblogging group, not the "blogging" group. Sull On 2/9/07, Mike Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 2/9/07, billshackelford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<bshackelford%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. > > > > --- In [email protected] <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > nah. > > > encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. > > > > > > and consider using blip feeds (blip users). > > > > > > sull > > > > > You're both COMPLETELY missing the point. > > This is NOT an alternative to mediaRSS. It's not an either or thing. > When you're composing a blog post you can't very well mark something > up in mediaRSS because you can only markup mediaRSS if you're actually > coding your own RSS feeds. You need a way to be able to TELL > wordpress... or feedburner or whatever is creating your RSS feed... > heh this image, it is the thumbnail, please put it in the thumbnail > field of the RSS feed. > > Secondly... Sull, people cannot just go and use their blip feeds > instead of their feedburner feeds. Because their blogs are far more > than just videos from blip... their blogs contain text posts, and > blogged posts from flickr, and posts that are reblogged from others. > That makes about as much sense as telling them just to use their > delicious feed, or flickr feed instead of their blog. > > Maybe my post was to long or something, but I'm sort of disapointed in > the responses. > > Other than the fact that there is no "rel" atribute to <img> there's > no reason not to do this. > > Perhaps andreas could suggest and alternative to "rel", or perhaps I'd > like to suggest playing the devils advocate, does it really matter if > there's no rel attribute to <img src>? What's wrong with extending > it? It guarantees there will be no conflicts, and it's in keeping > with other standards like relTag, relNoFollow, relEnclosure and many > others. > > Again just to play devils advocate... but what's wrong with extending > HTML with a rel standard? > > If that is evil incarnate what other choices do we have? > > class="media-thumbnail" ? > > I think this is already getting to convoluted... we need something the > everyday people can understand... getting people to make the jump from > rel= to class= is a big step to ask thousands of people to remember... > these are not coders they're bloggers. > > -Mike > mefeedia.com > mmeiser.com/blog > > > > > > > > On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat > > > > thing... > > > > and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary > > > > problem > > > > first. > > > > > > > > I.E. <img src="" rel=thumbnail> > > > > > > > > It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using > this > > > > somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. > > > > > > > > It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, > rel=enclosure, > > > > rel=payment and a host of others. > > > > > > > > It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds > like > > > > audio, > > > > and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. > > > > > > > > Any objections to this? > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/8/07, duthied2004 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <duthied%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hey all. > > > > > > > > > > I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have > tried to > > > > > catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked > > before.... > > > > > > > > > > But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for > their > > > > > entries....do you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the > > > > > 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item > > > > > elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. > > > > > > > > > > Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new > > ones. > > > > > > > > > > -Devlon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected]<videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. > > > > > > > > > > > > The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise very > hight > > > > > > percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not > > > > > > "semantically" specified. This is to say they are not specified > in > > > > > > standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and search > sites > > > > > > like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... > eclosures > > > > > > can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a > microformat > > > > > > standard "rel=enclosure". There is no standards for huge amounts > of > > > > > > supporting meta infromation like thumbnails, i.e. there is no > > > > > > "rel=thumnail". > > > > > > > > > > > > We're working on mechanisms not only to better identify > thumbnails > > in > > > > > > blog posts, among other things, by creating a new media > Microformat. > > > > > > It should not only have a tremendous immediate impact for people > who > > > > > > use services like blip, feedburner, mefeedia, fireant and > others, > > but > > > > > > it should also put this control into YOUR hands if you like when > > > > > > you're writing a blog post. > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Josh, I hope you'll collaborate on this media microformat > as > > well > > > > > > as sharing other ideas on sharing thumbnail information. > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > mmeiser.com/blog > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/19/07, Peter Van Dijck <petervandijck@> wrote: > > > > > > > Hey Josh, I haven't checked that feature in like a year, so it > may > > > > > have > > > > > > > stopped working.. let Frank know if you have any questions > about > > > > > that, I'm > > > > > > > sure he'd be happy to get it running again.. all my fault! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/19/07, Joshua Kinberg <jkinberg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We're currently working on this issue and plan to have a big > new > > > > > > > > release of the FireAnt website in February. This new release > > will > > > > > > > > support the Media RSS namespace for thumbnails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently, we can grab thumbnails from blog posts if they > are > > > > > included > > > > > > > > in the link to the video enclosure file like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <a href="http://link/to/video.mov"; rel="enclosure"><img > > > > > > > > src="http://link/to/thumbnail/image.jpg"; /></a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We also have the ability to get thumbnail images from > MeFeedia, > > > > > but it > > > > > > > > seems that MeFeedia may have disabled this feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope that helps explain... please stay tuned for our new > website > > > > > > > > update that will address this along with many other bug > fixes > > > > > and new > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Josh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://FireAnt.tv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/19/07, billshackelford > > > > > > > <bshackelford@<bshackelford%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > My videos do not have thumbnails on FireAnt. It seems they > do > > > > not > > > > > > > > utilize the Yahoo Media > > > > > > > > > RSS namespace attributes. Is there a reason why? If there > is a > > > > > legal > > > > > > > > reason.. why don't they > > > > > > > > > just come up with their own namespace? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe I read something about FireAnt getting > thumbnails > > from > > > > > > > > Mefeedia but my > > > > > > > > > thumbnails show up Mefeedia fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know if there is something I can do to have my > > > > > thumbnails > > > > > > > > show up on FireAnt? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is my channel on FireAnt: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > billshackelford.com podcast > > > > > > > > > http://fireant.tv/directory/channel/22981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Find 10000s of videoblogs and podcasts at http://mefeedia.com > > > > > > > my blog: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/ > > > > > > > my job: http://petervandijck.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sull > > > http://vlogdir.com (a project) > > > http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) > > > http://interdigitate.com (otherly) > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) http://interdigitate.com (otherly) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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