I got a spring compressor that hooks on from the outside at NAPA years ago. Turn the knob and draw hooks up against a cap with a hole in it that rests on the retainer.

Chuck Kuecker

On 3/28/2013 6:36 PM, Dean Johnson wrote:

Also, where would I be likely to find a valve spring compressor tool to use with heads on engine, engine in car. I can find pictures but none to buy, borrow, or steal.

On Mar 28, 2013 6:32 PM, "John Sroka" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Hey Dean.Wow, that is really strange. Any chance someone
    ‘liberated’ the keepers from that valve sometime in the 4 years
    after the transmission failed? Here is a thread from thesamba
    about the air compressor tool:
    http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=466412

    Can’t wait to hear the outcome of this.

    *From:*[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>
    [mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Dean Johnson
    *Sent:* Thursday, March 28, 2013 3:24 PM
    *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Subject:* Re: [vintagvw] Valve spring retainer keepers. gone missing?

    Chuck,
    Then engine wasn't making any rattling before I stopped driving
    it. I only stopped because I lost 4th gear (at least) while
    driving on the highway.
    So if the valve isn't bent, and the valve stem is in good shape I
    can replace the keepers in place. That would be a miracle. I'll
    see if I can gather the parts for an 'air hold'. I have a
    compression gauge perhaps the hose from that will work.

    Thanks,
    Dean

    On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Chuck Kuecker <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    If the valve can be pulled back level with the other valves, it's
    unlikely it is bent.

    If you can get your hands on an "air hold" - an air fitting that
    screws into the spark plug hole and uses air pressure to hold the
    valves closed - you can compress the spring and replace the
    keepers without tearing the engine apart. You can make one with an
    old spark plug and a pipe nipple and a little welding or soldering
    - or even JB Weld.

    Turn the engine over so the valves are closed before applying
    pressure - have the car in gear so the motor can't turn over. If
    there's no hissing from the carb or muffler, the valve is still
    seating correctly. If not, it's probably bent.

    Was the engine making any rattling noises?

    Chuck Kuecker




    On 3/28/2013 4:59 PM, Dean Johnson wrote:

        I've gone to the trouble of replacing my transaxel after
        having the bug off the road for four years. I was commuting
        daily for about a year before the tranny failed. (70 mi round
        trip)
        So imagine my surprise to discover when adjusting the valves
        that one of my valve stems is below the valve spring retainer.
        Its suppose to stick above that so the rocker foot can push on
        it. This seems really bad. Doesn't this mean my valve has been
        getting clobbered by the piston? Doesn't this mean I have to
        pull the head and have it rebuilt, if possible, or replaced.
        Or is this the one time when something seems bad but really isn't?
        I suppose I could take off the rocker arm to see if the valve
        stem is ok, if the valve spring retainer keepers are anywhere
        to be seen. I don't really have much more money or time to
        throw at this.
        Please send me a miracle.

        Oh, Its a '71 Super Beetle with about 30,000 miles on an 1915
        cc engine rebuilt by Strictly Foreign (circa 2000). I was
        running it with a single 34pict jetted for the larger
        displacement.

        Dean Johnson
        Williamson, NY

        p.s. to make sure my terminology makes sense,
        valve stem: skinny end of valve sticking out towards the
        rocker assembly.
        valve spring retainer: disk shaped metal with hole in the
        center for valve stem. sits on top (out board really) of the
        spring
        valve spring retainer keeper: This I can't see but I assume
        there are two of this buggers around the valve stem that sit
        in a circular groove around the end of the valve stem, they
        keep the valve stem from doing what mine did, sneaking back
        towards the combustion chamber.

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