Hello, Yes, there are some worrying bugs, let's be fair. ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 12:30 pm Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
> > > For me, I didn't find any bugs in IOS 8 I couldn't live with. I never > regretted upgrading to IOS 8. IOS 9 is a different story. I lose > VoiceOver when I answer a call with my headset on, and VoiceOver freezes > when I reply to an email message. I'm still getting by with the work > arounds I've uncovered so far, but I'm much less satisfied with IOS 9 > than I was with IOS 8, and I can't recommend the iPhone anymore to > another blind person, at least not without letting them know about these > issues. > > On 10/22/2015 12:43 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > Hi, > > I guess you just said what i was trying to say earlier on only mor well > > spokenly than me. > > Thanks for that. > > /Krister > > > >> 22 okt. 2015 kl. 18:59 skrev Wayne Merritt <[email protected]>: > >> > >> Everyone, > >> Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X last > >> year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a number > >> were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from everyone > >> across the board for putting out things that didn't work. Now, with > >> iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the masses for the > >> buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There are things that are > >> bugs for some and not for others, but now that the focus issues have > >> been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I can't live with. > >> Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I > >> press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the > >> screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a thought, > >> look at another clock or watch if I really want to know what time it > >> is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many bugs and no one > >> else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, JAWS, any screen > >> reader or assistive software, or any other widely used mainstream > >> software. All major releases has bugs to some degree. If we waited for > >> the software companies to fix the bugs before they released the > >> software, we would be waiting forever for that next big thing. > >> > >> Wayne > >> > >> On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if Apple > >>> doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, but that will > >>> be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers. Your target > >>> isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you weren't going to do > >>> something because of a negative reaction by a minority of members on > >>> this list or in any community then you'd never do anything. > >>> > >>> You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that doesn't > >>> mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, but with IOS 9, > >>> answering phone calls with a headset on and responding to emails is so > >>> bad it makes the phone virtually unusable for two tasks I've come to > >>> depend on my iPhone for. IMHO, there's too much judgment on this list > >>> about the impacts certain bugs have on different users. We all don't use > >>> our phones the same way, so we shouldn't pass judgment on another user > >>> because they're more impacted by a bug than we are. > >>> > >>> I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways to go > >>> before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom Scientific has > >>> gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I don't see the fan boyism > >>> for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the blindness community. > >>> > >>> > >>> On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >>>> Hi, > >>>> Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter what we as > >>>> beta testers might say? For every release there has been and probably > >>>> will > >>>> be a tsunami of negativity and complaining and even if what has been > >>>> complained about would be fixed to perfection they complain about the > >>>> fixes. Either it's too bloody late or there's too little or too much of > >>>> everything. I'm the type of guy who upgrades every app and every Os to > >>>> see > >>>> what features are there and if there are bugs, well shrug, nobody's > >>>> perfect. As i said before i think it's strange that Apple gets so many > >>>> complaints about things that aren't even their fault like apps that are > >>>> not upgraded and so don't work or such. In my time on Windows there > >>>> wasn't > >>>> anything like this complaining. Nobody ever said that "freedom scientific > >>>> or GW Micro or Dolphin has abandoned us and don't give a fig about us". > >>>> So > >>>> are there bugs? Of course there probably are, no big chunk of code is > >>>> ever > >>>> bug free. Should we report them? > >>> Yes politely and with enough info to make the folks aware of the problem > >>> but i wonder if that's the case when i hear the tone here and on other > >>> forums where blind folks and Apple are the common denominator. > >>>> > >>>> /Krister > >>>> > >>>>> 22 okt. 2015 kl. 08:33 skrev M. Taylor <[email protected]>: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hello Everyone, > >>>>> > >>>>> I just want to let those of you, who are not beta testers, know, is that > >>>>> with any company, be it Apple, Microsoft, Sony, etc, reporting a > >>>>> problem, > >>>>> regardless of how important it may appear to be to the tester, is not > >>>>> always > >>>>> addressed immediately or, in some cases, ever. > >>>>> > >>>>> It has been my experience that the larger an organization becomes, the > >>>>> less > >>>>> responsive, in terms of addressing non-mission critical problems, it may > >>>>> appear to be to external testers. > >>>>> > >>>>> All we, as beta testers can do, is to make the organization aware of the > >>>>> problems and hope that it will manage to address said problems in a > >>>>> future > >>>>> release. > >>>>> > >>>>> In my opinion, beta testing is a somewhat thankless job because, when > >>>>> bugs > >>>>> get squashed, no one pays attention to them or cares how or why they > >>>>> were > >>>>> resolved and when bugs remain, people think that the testers are not > >>>>> testing > >>>>> well enough. > >>>>> > >>>>> To me, beta testing, not just for Apple but for any company is my way of > >>>>> showing appreciation for those things in life which I may now take for > >>>>> granted; things like clean drinking water, electricity, personal > >>>>> liberties, > >>>>> talking ATM machines, audio-described movies, screen readers, > >>>>> refreshable > >>>>> Braille displays, smart phones, hearing aids, medicine, etc. > >>>>> > >>>>> Beta testing is also my way of showing my respect for those blind and > >>>>> low-vision pioneers who came before me and it is a means by which I may, > >>>>> in > >>>>> some small part, leave a legacy to those who will follow. > >>>>> > >>>>> So, when a product is released with a number of bugs, please try to keep > >>>>> in > >>>>> mind that were it not for beta testers, that number would most likely be > >>>>> much higher. > >>>>> > >>>>> Most Sincerely, > >>>>> > >>>>> Mark > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone > >>>>> list. > >>>>> > >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > >>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > >>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > >>>>> > >>>>> Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> > >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at > >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. > >>>>> --- > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>> Groups > >>>>> "VIPhone" group. > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > >>>>> an > >>>>> email to [email protected]. > >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Christopher (CJ) > >>> chaltain at Gmail > >>> > >>> -- > >>> The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone > >>> list. > >>> > >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > >>> if > >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners > >>> or > >>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > >>> > >>> Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > >>> [email protected] > >>> > >>> The archives for this list can be searched at > >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. > >>> --- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>> "VIPhone" group. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > >>> email to [email protected]. > >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Follow me on Twitter at: > >> www.twitter.com/wcmerritt > >> My website: > >> www.wayneism.com > >> My book list: > >> www.wayneism.com/books.php > >> > >> -- > >> The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone list. > >> > >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > >> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > >> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > >> > >> Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > >> [email protected] > >> > >> The archives for this list can be searched at > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. > >> --- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "VIPhone" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > >> email to [email protected]. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > chaltain at Gmail > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > [email protected] > > The archives for this list can be searched at > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Sent from a Braille Sense -- The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at [email protected] The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
