Correct, the 4 and 4S (and I think also the 3GS) all had a 3.5 inch screen, 
Apple introduced the 4 inch screen with the iPhone 5, then the 5S and 5C and 
just recently the iPhone SE. The 6, 6 Plus, 6S and 6S Plus all have the 4.7 and 
5.5 inch screens, respectively. No change is expected in the form factor this 
fall which means the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus if that what Apple will call these 
devices, will have the same screen size and overall dimensions. I wouldn't be 
surprised if Apple would introduce a totally different form factor next year 
for the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. Talk is that it will drastically reduce 
the width of the screen bezel, maybe the screen will even wrap around and I 
think it is quite possible that at that point the home button would go away and 
the Touch Id sensor would be embedded in the touch screen itself. Maybe volume 
buttons would also go away in favour of capacitive volume controls which can be 
activated by swiping up or down along the edge of the phone. All of these 
speculations, by the way, are based on rumours and ideas for concept phones 
which have circulated on the web for the last couple of years. I do, however, 
think that the home button definitely will go away at some point.

Regards,
Sieghard


I wouldn't be surprised if that design did away with the relatively large 
edgesThere is not 

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Julian
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 7:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?

Actually, the iPhone SE is the same size as the iPhone 5s. This makes it a 
little bit longer than a for S.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Anthony Vece <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Chris;
> 
> I believe the iPhone (SE) is the same size as your (4S).
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone SE
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2016, at 9:28 PM, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I am finally thinking it's time to move up to a new phone. The battery 
>> has held up quite well on my 4S though. I can still get through a day 
>> without a charge. I am able to save some power during the day though. My 
>> employer provides me with a iPhone 5, so I use it during the day for almost 
>> all of my texting, email checking, calendaring and phone calling. Meanwhile, 
>> with my 4S, I can turn off wifi, since we don't have public wifi at my 
>> office, and bluetooth, since I don't use a bluetooth device with it during 
>> the day.
>> 
>> I agree things don't last forever, and Apple needs to move on and jettison 
>> support for older phones. That being said, I did pay a lot for this phone, 
>> and Apple proved with IOS 9, that you can upgrade an operating system and 
>> still improve performance on an older device. I'm wondering if I'd be 
>> looking as longingly at newer phones right now if I knew IOS 10 would still 
>> run on my 4S.
>> 
>>> On 20/06/16 08:47, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>> I think it's more the experience Apple wants users to have. Yes, 
>>> they could probably disable features the 4S may have problems with 
>>> like, for example, the face and object recognition on pictures. They 
>>> said that iOS does 11 Billion computations on a single picture and 
>>> it is all done on device so it's not that powerful servers in the 
>>> cloud do the work and just provide the results back to the device. 
>>> But I guess if many of the new and advanced features of iOS 10 would 
>>> be disabled on a 4S there may just not be that much reason to 
>>> support it. Considering that the 4S is now 5 years old, I also 
>>> assume that as a percentage of iPhones out there not that many of 
>>> them are 4S phones any more. Anyhow, I guess Apple has to draw the 
>>> line somewhere, if they support the 4S others may say then why not 
>>> support the 4. I actually think it's amazing they have supported the 
>>> 4S for this long, the 4S came with iOS 5 so it was able to run 4 
>>> more versions of iOS after the one it came out with, show me another
>> mobile phone that had this kind of support. Anyhow, iOS 9 is pretty good and 
>> people who still have a 4S that runs good can still run it with iOS 9 for 
>> years to come I assume although they may have to replace the battery since I 
>> doubt that a 4S that was bought in 2011 still holds a charge for that long. 
>> I have a friend who bought a 3GS in 2009 and he used it until he bought a 5S 
>> in 2013, so for 4 years, and while he of course wanted the newer faster 
>> phone, he also said that he only got a few hours of use out of the phone at 
>> that point. A friend in Germany said her son just bought a fairly 
>> inexpensive battery kit which came with the special screwdriver which iks 
>> required to open the iPhone and instructions and he would able to replace 
>> the battery on his iPhone (can't remember the model) himself, but I would 
>> say most people can't or would not do this.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
>>> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:30 PM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure who does do artificial deprecation of hardware, but I am a bit 
>>> disappointed that my 4S may no longer be supported. I'm not sure if there's 
>>> something in the 4S that Apple no longer wants to code support for or if 
>>> it's because they don't want users to get a less than great experience on 
>>> an Apple device. It may also be that they want to save some money by not 
>>> taking any support questions on the 4S or by doing any regression testing 
>>> on it. I'd be willing to try IOS 10 on it to see how it performced if Apple 
>>> would let me though. I'd do this even if Apple told me it hadn't been 
>>> tested and wouldn't be supported and I was on my own giving it a try.
>>> 
>>> Don't get me wrong, I'm glad I had the run I did on my 4S, but I compare 
>>> this to my netbook from 2009 that still running the latest Linux or my 
>>> laptop from 2011 that's also running the latest Linux but also able to run 
>>> Windows 10.
>>> 
>>>> On 19/06/16 18:04, Devin Prater wrote:
>>>> Yep, and I think that shows that Apple doesn’t do artificial 
>>>> deprecation of hardware.
>>>> Sent from my Mac.
>>>> 
>>>> Devin Prater
>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 1:37 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> My prediction, iOS 11 will work on the 5s and up. iOS 12, 6 and 
>>>>> up, etc etc. But Apple did surprise us last year when they 
>>>>> announced all devices running iOS 8 could run iOS 9. So what I put 
>>>>> here is only speculation.
>>>>>> On 17 Jun 2016, at 02:43, Gerardo Corripio <[email protected] 
>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At least maybe until iOS11 probably by September of 2018 when 
>>>>>> iOS12 comes out maybe it won't be supported anymore?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> El 16/06/2016 03:28 p.m., Donna escribió:
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Do you know how much longer the iPhone 5s will be supported? I'm 
>>>>>>> considering getting my soon to be teenager an iPhone 5s for 
>>>>>>> Christmas. I don't want to purchase her a phone that will only 
>>>>>>> be supported for a short time.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>> Final update? For the iPhone 5? All we know is that the iPhone 
>>>>>>>> 4s is due for its “final update” very soon, 9.3.3, before it 
>>>>>>>> will be considered “obsolete”. Can’t believe it has survived this far.
>>>>>>>> iPhone 5, however, will have at least one more year of software 
>>>>>>>> support since iOS 10 will run on it and will be the oldest 
>>>>>>>> iPhone to support this upcoming major release.
>>>>>>>>> On 16 Jun 2016, at 19:54, Michael McKay<[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi folks: I am wondering if anyone knows when the final iOS 
>>>>>>>>> update is out for the iPhone 5. I have been told that there is 
>>>>>>>>> one more major update coming out for the iPhone 5 and then 
>>>>>>>>> there would be no more, and then I would upgrade my phone to 
>>>>>>>>> an iPhone
>>>>>>>>> 6 Plus, 6S plus or seven. If someone could get back to me and 
>>>>>>>>> let me know about the iPhone 5 final update it would be appreciated.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks much!
>>>>>>>>> Michael G. McKay BA, '05.
>>>>>>>>> Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 15:32, Krister 
>>>>>>>>>> Ekstrom<[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Confirmed here too. Tried the link and got a ”delivery failed”
>>>>>>>>>> notice here too.
>>>>>>>>>> /Krister
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 16 juni 2016 kl. 19:37 skrev Michael G 
>>>>>>>>>>> McKay<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi! Mr. Mosen:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I just tried to subscribe to the email group you mentioned. 
>>>>>>>>>>> And it returned saying that the delivery failed permanently. 
>>>>>>>>>>> I used the subscribe link you provided for the list.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Assistance would be very much appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks much in advance.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael G. McKay BA, ’05.
>>>>>>>>>>> Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jonathan 
>>>>>>>>>>> Mosen
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: June 16, 2016 1:44 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys, for three or four years, I've been running an email 
>>>>>>>>>>> list for registered developers and, as of last year, public 
>>>>>>>>>>> beta testers of iOS.
>>>>>>>>>>> It's very focussed and has a lot of experienced testers, but 
>>>>>>>>>>> if you think you can contribute, you can send a blank email to:
>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>>>>>>>>>> Mosen Consulting
>>>>>>>>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training 
>>>>>>>>>>> http://Mosen.org
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/06/2016, at 12:28 AM, Liel Ben Simon ליאל בן 
>>>>>>>>>>>> סימון<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi! The beta of the developers is different from publick beta.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Only in the publick beta there is a feedbeck app.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from  my iphone
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ‫ב-16 ביוני 2016, בשעה 15:20, ‏‏Shawn Krasniuk 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ‏<[email protected]>  כתב/ה:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I think for your case, they'd make an exception. You 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know Matt Dierckens right? Maybe shoot him an email asking 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if developer testers are discluded from that list. If you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't, email me off list and I'll gladly send you his email 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> address.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krasniuk Twitter Handle:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Facetime: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Krister 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ekstrom<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm interesting, this means i will be excluded from the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beta testers list if i get that question because i’m a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> registered developer and use developer betas and have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never had the feedback assistant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Krister
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16 juni 2016 kl. 04:48 skrev Shawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krasniuk<[email protected]>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Chris. I gotta interject with you here. Being that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm one of the members of the beta list, it's not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaking NDA at all. Only beta testers can subscribe to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that list. The moderators ask questions like where your 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Feedback Assistant app is and if you don't have one, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they'll automatically reject your request to join. Just 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought I'd clear that up and yes, iOS 10 was available 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for developers as a beta after the WWDC keynote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krasniuk Twitter Handle:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Facetime: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Christopher 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chaltain<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's true, but people are perfectly free to discuss 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever Apple has announced, which would include any 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new accessibility features  that were announced during 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the developers summit. I'm not sure there's an IOS 10 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beta yet, so no one could talk about what they're 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seeing in the beta anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, talking about Apple's beta software, even on a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beta list, is still violating Apple's NDA with beta users.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/06/16 07:12, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi. Unfortunately, no one is allowed to post anything 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about purelease software on this list. There is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, a beta discussion group that a couple list members 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> created.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't remember the address offhand to subscribe to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 3:24 AM, 'Ming' via 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VIPhone<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone know that any new features in accessibility  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side of IOS 10?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks and regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> msn/window live messenger 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skype:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chungchiming9950
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face book:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mingcm1
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