I think it's more the experience Apple wants users to have. Yes, they could probably disable features the 4S may have problems with like, for example, the face and object recognition on pictures. They said that iOS does 11 Billion computations on a single picture and it is all done on device so it's not that powerful servers in the cloud do the work and just provide the results back to the device. But I guess if many of the new and advanced features of iOS 10 would be disabled on a 4S there may just not be that much reason to support it. Considering that the 4S is now 5 years old, I also assume that as a percentage of iPhones out there not that many of them are 4S phones any more. Anyhow, I guess Apple has to draw the line somewhere, if they support the 4S others may say then why not support the 4. I actually think it's amazing they have supported the 4S for this long, the 4S came with iOS 5 so it was able to run 4 more versions of iOS after the one it came out with, show me another mobile phone that had this kind of support. Anyhow, iOS 9 is pretty good and people who still have a 4S that runs good can still run it with iOS 9 for years to come I assume although they may have to replace the battery since I doubt that a 4S that was bought in 2011 still holds a charge for that long. I have a friend who bought a 3GS in 2009 and he used it until he bought a 5S in 2013, so for 4 years, and while he of course wanted the newer faster phone, he also said that he only got a few hours of use out of the phone at that point. A friend in Germany said her son just bought a fairly inexpensive battery kit which came with the special screwdriver which iks required to open the iPhone and instructions and he would able to replace the battery on his iPhone (can't remember the model) himself, but I would say most people can't or would not do this.
Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ? I'm not sure who does do artificial deprecation of hardware, but I am a bit disappointed that my 4S may no longer be supported. I'm not sure if there's something in the 4S that Apple no longer wants to code support for or if it's because they don't want users to get a less than great experience on an Apple device. It may also be that they want to save some money by not taking any support questions on the 4S or by doing any regression testing on it. I'd be willing to try IOS 10 on it to see how it performced if Apple would let me though. I'd do this even if Apple told me it hadn't been tested and wouldn't be supported and I was on my own giving it a try. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad I had the run I did on my 4S, but I compare this to my netbook from 2009 that still running the latest Linux or my laptop from 2011 that's also running the latest Linux but also able to run Windows 10. On 19/06/16 18:04, Devin Prater wrote: > Yep, and I think that shows that Apple doesn’t do artificial > deprecation of hardware. > Sent from my Mac. > > Devin Prater > r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > > > >> On Jun 17, 2016, at 1:37 PM, christopher hallsworth >> <challswor...@icloud.com <mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>> wrote: >> >> My prediction, iOS 11 will work on the 5s and up. iOS 12, 6 and up, >> etc etc. But Apple did surprise us last year when they announced all >> devices running iOS 8 could run iOS 9. So what I put here is only >> speculation. >>> On 17 Jun 2016, at 02:43, Gerardo Corripio <gera1...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:gera1...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> At least maybe until iOS11 probably by September of 2018 when iOS12 >>> comes out maybe it won't be supported anymore? >>> >>> El 16/06/2016 03:28 p.m., Donna escribió: >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> Do you know how much longer the iPhone 5s will be supported? I'm >>>> considering getting my soon to be teenager an iPhone 5s for >>>> Christmas. I don't want to purchase her a phone that will only be >>>> supported for a short time. >>>> >>>> Donna >>>>> Final update? For the iPhone 5? All we know is that the iPhone 4s >>>>> is due for its “final update” very soon, 9.3.3, before it will be >>>>> considered “obsolete”. Can’t believe it has survived this far. >>>>> iPhone 5, however, will have at least one more year of software >>>>> support since iOS 10 will run on it and will be the oldest iPhone >>>>> to support this upcoming major release. >>>>>> On 16 Jun 2016, at 19:54, Michael McKay<mgmckay1...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:mgmckay1...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi folks: I am wondering if anyone knows when the final iOS >>>>>> update is out for the iPhone 5. I have been told that there is >>>>>> one more major update coming out for the iPhone 5 and then there >>>>>> would be no more, and then I would upgrade my phone to an iPhone >>>>>> 6 Plus, 6S plus or seven. If someone could get back to me and let >>>>>> me know about the iPhone 5 final update it would be appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks much! >>>>>> Michael G. McKay BA, '05. >>>>>> Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com <mailto:mgmckay1...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 15:32, Krister >>>>>>> Ekstrom<kris...@kristersplace.com >>>>>>> <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Confirmed here too. Tried the link and got a ”delivery failed” >>>>>>> notice here too. >>>>>>> /Krister >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 16 juni 2016 kl. 19:37 skrev Michael G >>>>>>>> McKay<mgmckay1...@gmail.com <mailto:mgmckay1...@gmail.com>>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi! Mr. Mosen: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just tried to subscribe to the email group you mentioned. And >>>>>>>> it returned saying that the delivery failed permanently. I used >>>>>>>> the subscribe link you provided for the list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Assistance would be very much appreciated. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks much in advance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michael G. McKay BA, ’05. >>>>>>>> Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com <mailto:mgmckay1...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen >>>>>>>> Sent: June 16, 2016 1:44 PM >>>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Guys, for three or four years, I've been running an email >>>>>>>> list for registered developers and, as of last year, public >>>>>>>> beta testers of iOS. >>>>>>>> It's very focussed and has a lot of experienced testers, but if >>>>>>>> you think you can contribute, you can send a blank email to: >>>>>>>> testing-subscr...@lists.appcessible.net >>>>>>>> <mailto:testing-subscr...@lists.appcessible.net> >>>>>>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>>>>>> Mosen Consulting >>>>>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>>>>>> http://Mosen.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 17/06/2016, at 12:28 AM, Liel Ben Simon ליאל בן >>>>>>>>> סימון<liel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi! The beta of the developers is different from publick beta. >>>>>>>>> Only in the publick beta there is a feedbeck app. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iphone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ב-16 ביוני 2016, בשעה 15:20, Shawn Krasniuk >>>>>>>>> <bbssh...@icloud.com> כתב/ה: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, I think for your case, they'd make an exception. You >>>>>>>>>> know Matt Dierckens right? Maybe shoot him an email asking if >>>>>>>>>> developer testers are discluded from that list. If you don't, >>>>>>>>>> email me off list and I'll gladly send you his email address. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Shawn >>>>>>>>>> Sent From My White MacBook >>>>>>>>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: >>>>>>>>>> shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper >>>>>>>>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Krister >>>>>>>>>>> Ekstrom<kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hmm interesting, this means i will be excluded from the beta >>>>>>>>>>> testers list if i get that question because i’m a registered >>>>>>>>>>> developer and use developer betas and have never had the >>>>>>>>>>> feedback assistant. >>>>>>>>>>> /Krister >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 16 juni 2016 kl. 04:48 skrev Shawn >>>>>>>>>>>> Krasniuk<bbssh...@icloud.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Chris. I gotta interject with you here. Being that I'm >>>>>>>>>>>> one of the members of the beta list, it's not breaking NDA >>>>>>>>>>>> at all. Only beta testers can subscribe to that list. The >>>>>>>>>>>> moderators ask questions like where your Feedback Assistant >>>>>>>>>>>> app is and if you don't have one, they'll automatically >>>>>>>>>>>> reject your request to join. Just thought I'd clear that up >>>>>>>>>>>> and yes, iOS 10 was available for developers as a beta >>>>>>>>>>>> after the WWDC keynote. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Shawn >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent From My White MacBook >>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: >>>>>>>>>>>> shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper >>>>>>>>>>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Christopher >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chaltain<chalt...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's true, but people are perfectly free to discuss >>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever Apple has announced, which would include any new >>>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility features that were announced during the >>>>>>>>>>>>> developers summit. I'm not sure there's an IOS 10 beta >>>>>>>>>>>>> yet, so no one could talk about what they're seeing in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> beta anyway. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, talking about Apple's beta software, even on a beta >>>>>>>>>>>>> list, is still violating Apple's NDA with beta users. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/06/16 07:12, Daniel Miller wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi. Unfortunately, no one is allowed to post anything >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about purelease software on this list. 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