Actually, the iPhone SE is the same size as the iPhone 5s. This makes it a 
little bit longer than a for S.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Anthony Vece <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Chris;
> 
> I believe the iPhone (SE) is the same size as your (4S).
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone SE
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2016, at 9:28 PM, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I am finally thinking it's time to move up to a new phone. The battery 
>> has held up quite well on my 4S though. I can still get through a day 
>> without a charge. I am able to save some power during the day though. My 
>> employer provides me with a iPhone 5, so I use it during the day for almost 
>> all of my texting, email checking, calendaring and phone calling. Meanwhile, 
>> with my 4S, I can turn off wifi, since we don't have public wifi at my 
>> office, and bluetooth, since I don't use a bluetooth device with it during 
>> the day.
>> 
>> I agree things don't last forever, and Apple needs to move on and jettison 
>> support for older phones. That being said, I did pay a lot for this phone, 
>> and Apple proved with IOS 9, that you can upgrade an operating system and 
>> still improve performance on an older device. I'm wondering if I'd be 
>> looking as longingly at newer phones right now if I knew IOS 10 would still 
>> run on my 4S.
>> 
>>> On 20/06/16 08:47, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>> I think it's more the experience Apple wants users to have. Yes, they could 
>>> probably disable features the 4S may have problems with like, for example, 
>>> the face and object recognition on pictures. They said that iOS does 11 
>>> Billion computations on a single picture and it is all done on device so 
>>> it's not that powerful servers in the cloud do the work and just provide 
>>> the results back to the device. But I guess if many of the new and advanced 
>>> features of iOS 10 would be disabled on a 4S there may just not be that 
>>> much reason to support it. Considering that the 4S is now 5 years old, I 
>>> also assume that as a percentage of iPhones out there not that many of them 
>>> are 4S phones any more. Anyhow, I guess Apple has to draw the line 
>>> somewhere, if they support the 4S others may say then why not support the 
>>> 4. I actually think it's amazing they have supported the 4S for this long, 
>>> the 4S came with iOS 5 so it was able to run 4 more versions of iOS after 
>>> the one it came out with, show me another
>> mobile phone that had this kind of support. Anyhow, iOS 9 is pretty good and 
>> people who still have a 4S that runs good can still run it with iOS 9 for 
>> years to come I assume although they may have to replace the battery since I 
>> doubt that a 4S that was bought in 2011 still holds a charge for that long. 
>> I have a friend who bought a 3GS in 2009 and he used it until he bought a 5S 
>> in 2013, so for 4 years, and while he of course wanted the newer faster 
>> phone, he also said that he only got a few hours of use out of the phone at 
>> that point. A friend in Germany said her son just bought a fairly 
>> inexpensive battery kit which came with the special screwdriver which iks 
>> required to open the iPhone and instructions and he would able to replace 
>> the battery on his iPhone (can't remember the model) himself, but I would 
>> say most people can't or would not do this.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
>>> Of Christopher Chaltain
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:30 PM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure who does do artificial deprecation of hardware, but I am a bit 
>>> disappointed that my 4S may no longer be supported. I'm not sure if there's 
>>> something in the 4S that Apple no longer wants to code support for or if 
>>> it's because they don't want users to get a less than great experience on 
>>> an Apple device. It may also be that they want to save some money by not 
>>> taking any support questions on the 4S or by doing any regression testing 
>>> on it. I'd be willing to try IOS 10 on it to see how it performced if Apple 
>>> would let me though. I'd do this even if Apple told me it hadn't been 
>>> tested and wouldn't be supported and I was on my own giving it a try.
>>> 
>>> Don't get me wrong, I'm glad I had the run I did on my 4S, but I compare 
>>> this to my netbook from 2009 that still running the latest Linux or my 
>>> laptop from 2011 that's also running the latest Linux but also able to run 
>>> Windows 10.
>>> 
>>>> On 19/06/16 18:04, Devin Prater wrote:
>>>> Yep, and I think that shows that Apple doesn’t do artificial
>>>> deprecation of hardware.
>>>> Sent from my Mac.
>>>> 
>>>> Devin Prater
>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 1:37 PM, christopher hallsworth
>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> My prediction, iOS 11 will work on the 5s and up. iOS 12, 6 and up,
>>>>> etc etc. But Apple did surprise us last year when they announced all
>>>>> devices running iOS 8 could run iOS 9. So what I put here is only
>>>>> speculation.
>>>>>> On 17 Jun 2016, at 02:43, Gerardo Corripio <[email protected]
>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At least maybe until iOS11 probably by September of 2018 when iOS12
>>>>>> comes out maybe it won't be supported anymore?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> El 16/06/2016 03:28 p.m., Donna escribió:
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Do you know how much longer the iPhone 5s will be supported? I'm
>>>>>>> considering getting my soon to be teenager an iPhone 5s for
>>>>>>> Christmas. I don't want to purchase her a phone that will only be
>>>>>>> supported for a short time.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>> Final update? For the iPhone 5? All we know is that the iPhone 4s
>>>>>>>> is due for its “final update” very soon, 9.3.3, before it will be
>>>>>>>> considered “obsolete”. Can’t believe it has survived this far.
>>>>>>>> iPhone 5, however, will have at least one more year of software
>>>>>>>> support since iOS 10 will run on it and will be the oldest iPhone
>>>>>>>> to support this upcoming major release.
>>>>>>>>> On 16 Jun 2016, at 19:54, Michael McKay<[email protected]
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi folks: I am wondering if anyone knows when the final iOS
>>>>>>>>> update is out for the iPhone 5. I have been told that there is
>>>>>>>>> one more major update coming out for the iPhone 5 and then there
>>>>>>>>> would be no more, and then I would upgrade my phone to an iPhone
>>>>>>>>> 6 Plus, 6S plus or seven. If someone could get back to me and let
>>>>>>>>> me know about the iPhone 5 final update it would be appreciated.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks much!
>>>>>>>>> Michael G. McKay BA, '05.
>>>>>>>>> Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 15:32, Krister
>>>>>>>>>> Ekstrom<[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Confirmed here too. Tried the link and got a ”delivery failed”
>>>>>>>>>> notice here too.
>>>>>>>>>> /Krister
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 16 juni 2016 kl. 19:37 skrev Michael G
>>>>>>>>>>> McKay<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi! Mr. Mosen:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I just tried to subscribe to the email group you mentioned. And
>>>>>>>>>>> it returned saying that the delivery failed permanently. I used
>>>>>>>>>>> the subscribe link you provided for the list.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Assistance would be very much appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks much in advance.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael G. McKay BA, ’05.
>>>>>>>>>>> Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: June 16, 2016 1:44 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys, for three or four years, I've been running an email
>>>>>>>>>>> list for registered developers and, as of last year, public
>>>>>>>>>>> beta testers of iOS.
>>>>>>>>>>> It's very focussed and has a lot of experienced testers, but if
>>>>>>>>>>> you think you can contribute, you can send a blank email to:
>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>>>>>>>>>> Mosen Consulting
>>>>>>>>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>>>>>>>>>> http://Mosen.org
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/06/2016, at 12:28 AM, Liel Ben Simon ליאל בן
>>>>>>>>>>>> סימון<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi! The beta of the developers is different from publick beta.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Only in the publick beta there is a feedbeck app.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from  my iphone
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ‫ב-16 ביוני 2016, בשעה 15:20, ‏‏Shawn Krasniuk
>>>>>>>>>>>> ‏<[email protected]>  כתב/ה:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I think for your case, they'd make an exception. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know Matt Dierckens right? Maybe shoot him an email asking if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> developer testers are discluded from that list. If you don't,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> email me off list and I'll gladly send you his email address.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Facetime: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Krister
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ekstrom<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm interesting, this means i will be excluded from the beta
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> testers list if i get that question because i’m a registered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developer and use developer betas and have never had the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback assistant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Krister
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16 juni 2016 kl. 04:48 skrev Shawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krasniuk<[email protected]>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Chris. I gotta interject with you here. Being that I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of the members of the beta list, it's not breaking NDA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at all. Only beta testers can subscribe to that list. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moderators ask questions like where your Feedback Assistant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> app is and if you don't have one, they'll automatically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reject your request to join. Just thought I'd clear that up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and yes, iOS 10 was available for developers as a beta
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after the WWDC keynote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Facetime: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Christopher
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chaltain<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's true, but people are perfectly free to discuss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever Apple has announced, which would include any new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility features  that were announced during the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers summit. I'm not sure there's an IOS 10 beta
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet, so no one could talk about what they're seeing in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beta anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, talking about Apple's beta software, even on a beta
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, is still violating Apple's NDA with beta users.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/06/16 07:12, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi. Unfortunately, no one is allowed to post anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about purelease software on this list. There is however,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a beta discussion group that a couple list members created.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't remember the address offhand to subscribe to that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 3:24 AM, 'Ming' via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VIPhone<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone know that any new features in accessibility  side
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of IOS 10?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks and regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> msn/window live messenger [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skype:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chungchiming9950
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face book:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mingcm1
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