Think of a round knob which you want to turn when you try to turn the rotor. If it’s a physical knob, say a dimmer switch, you would put your thumb on the bottom, maybe sort of like the 7 o’clock position and your index finger opposite at the top in the approximate position of 1 o’clock. Then you would turn the knob clockwise (or counter clockwise). The rotor is very similar. Try to put both your thumb and index finger onto the screen at the same time into this same position, about 6 or 7 o’clock and 12 or 1 o’clock, then immediately make a little turning motion clockwise so you end up approx. in the 9 o’clock position with your thumb and the 3 o’clock position with your index finger. If you do it right you most likely hear “characters” but I tcould be something else depending on where your rotor is when you start, most likely it will be on Actions and you probably hear Characters. If you lift up and repeat you will hear “Words” If you end up on words and do the same gesture in reverse, e.g. make the turn counter clockwise you will go back to characters, then Actions. There are lots of useful items in the rotor menu, of course there is characters, words and, depending on the context, you maybe have lines or headings etc. This means you can then review text by flicking down and it will jump in whatever increment you set, by character, by word, by line or it will go from heading to heading if, for example, you are on a web page or in an email which has headings etc. Don’t forget that you have the Voiceover practice area in Voiceover settings, you can also invoke the practice/help mode by doing a double tap with 4 fingers. Voiceover will say “Starting help, to to stop help, perform a 4-finger double tap or 2-finger scrub or press escape on the keyboard”. Once you are in help mode you can practice all your taps, swipes, rotor turns etc. Voiceover will echo what gesture you performed and it can be very useful to practice making crisp and clean gestures. It can also be useful to try how hard or soft you have to tap, in fact, you don’t have to tap hard at all for just about all gestures to work and since your SE doesn’t have 3D Touch which does require taps that are a bit harder or more forceful pressing down on the screen you can really keep your gestures very light.
Regards, Sieghard From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Arlene Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 9:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: need some more help with switching voices doing all the steps voice doesn't change, Thank you for responding to me. We got our se phones when I updated my t-mobile account on march 8th, and we're coming along pretty well with learning everything, and these are the first smart phones we both ever had, so we still have some more to learn. I've heard about the rotor explained a number of times and described, and I've tried to follow the description of going around on the screen sort of like dialing a phone, but I apologize for my ignorance here, I don't get the rotor and how to do it. In navigating on the phone, I'll here voice over say something about the rotor, so I'm sorry I haven't caught on to the rotor. We've been in the settings where you change the voice and yes us english is selected, we've made sure of that. I'm not sure right now and can't ask since he's sleeping but I'm not sure if my boy friend has an understanding of the rotor, even slightly more than I do. Thank you again for writing. We're almost thinking there may be something we've forgotten from being able to do it before. In fact today Wayne changed the voice from samantha to the tom voice on our ipad mini which went fine, and then he tried to change the tom voice back to the samantha voice but for some reason couldn't do it. Thanks again.----- Original Message ----- From: Doc wright<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: Re: need some more help with switching voices doing all the steps voice doesn't change, arlene what happens when you rotate to language in the rotor and flick down? ----- Original Message ----- From: Arlene<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: April 28, 2018 12:38 AM Subject: Re: need some more help with switching voices doing all the steps voice doesn't change, Mr. Ed, thank you. We did turn the phone off and back on again. when you go to do it and the voice is selected, that's all normal and it seems as if it would change since it's selected fine, but we can't get int to change to any of the voices besides Tom enhanced. We tried to change the voice on our ipad mini and that did work. So I don't know if this is a bug, possibly that not everyone would be affected by. I wonder if it's possible with this new update if we would be able to change voices again, as we were able to do about a month ago.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mr. Ed<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 3:20 PM Subject: RE: need some more help with switching voices doing all the steps voice doesn't change, Hi Arlene, Maybe you have tried this but have you turn off your iPhone and then turned it back on. Just a thought if you haven’t as there may be a glitch in the software. By rebooting it cleans it up. Just trying to cover all bases. Mr. Ed From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Arlene Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 2:48 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: need some more help with switching voices doing all the steps voice doesn't change, We tried that as well and somehow it still doesn't change. About a month ago, we were able to do it fine, it worked fine with the downloading of the voice and changing the voice. In fact, my boyfriend couldn't get it to even change to one of the other voices. So there could be something else missing. Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: TaraPrakash<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 2:27 PM Subject: Re: need some more help with switching voices doing all the steps voice doesn't change, I think you are missing one last step. Make sure in the list of voices, it doesn’t say “download” which would mean the voice is not downloaded. Once confirmed that the voice is downloaded double tap on the name and double tap again on the name. You will have to double tap on the name which appears just left of the option “speak sample.” Again, the voice name you are double tapping on would have “speak sample” option if you swipe right from the place double tapping where would change the voice to the desired one. Please try this. And let us know how it goes. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 27, 2018, at 12:09 PM, Arlene <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Sieghart, The tom voice was completely downloaded. We also downloaded, completely some of the other voices and we couldn't change the voice. While I appreciate your helpfulness to me and many other people on the list, you weren't here for the experience I had with the apple accessibility, of which it's only my experience. This isn't the place to go back and forth about personal issues, though that time I called the accessibility line since I couldn't get to the I accept link link afast enough, getting timed out every time of which I tried it several times in that one call. That's something I don't wish to go through again. I didn't ridicule the line, it's not for me. I encourage anyone else that needs assistance to call that number. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 10:15 AM Subject: RE: need some more help with switching voices doing all the steps voice doesn't change, Hello Arlene, One last comment on this since you seem not very interested in following what others recommend, just because you had one unfavourable experience with Apple Accessibility doesn’t mean it will be the same next time. Any support line is like this, sometimes you get somebody who is awesome and another time you don’t. Anyhow, I just went through this on my iPhone following your steps, i.e. Voiceover Settings > Speech > Voice, then I found Tom in the list and downloaded the voice. Here is my question, have you actually downloaded the voice and waited long enough for it to download? It is well over 466 Mb so depending on your internet connection speed this could be anywhere from a few minutes to maybe 20 minutes. The way you would know is if you flick right through the voices and it says “Tom, button”, then it’s downloaded. If it says “Tom, 466 MegaBytes” and if you flick right once more it says “Download, Tom” then it’s not downloaded and you need to double tap on “Download, Tom” button, wait until it’s done (it will show you the download progress in percentage). Anyhow, after it is downloaded and it simply says “Tom, button” you double tap on that, then flick right past “Tom” and “Speak Sample” to “Tom, Enhanced” and now double tap on this. For me as soon as I do this the voice immediately switches to the Tom Enhanced voice, if you get all of what I describe and this doesn’t happen then I don’t know what is wrong with your phone and if you don’t want to call Apple Accessibility then maybe at some point you get to an Apple Store and you can ask somebody there to check it out for you. Good luck, Sieghard From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Arlene Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 8:01 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: need some more help with switching voices doing all the steps voice doesn't change, I will never call apple accessibility again, once was enough for me. Before I could even have them assist me that time with my apple id I kept on getting timed out with doing the acceptance thing in agreeing tp their policies. That really stressed me out. I'm not knocking the accessibility, though it's not for me. I learn so much from going on the appl vis site and learning from all these lists. Thanks again, while that's an excellent suggest to assistance it's not for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Turner<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 8:11 AM Subject: Re: need some more help with switching voices doing all the steps voice doesn't change, Arlene, When you dealt with Apple, did they share your screen so they could see what what happening? If not, I'd call Apple Accessibility and ask them to do a screen share so they can see exactly what is happening. It seems like you have done all the steps, but it is impossible to get to the bottom of this without eyes on the phone. Just don't do what I did the first time I shared my screen with Apple and leave the screen curtain on. Talk about feeling stupid. Good luck, If they say you are doing the right things, then you have a lemon. Richard “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1 On Apr 27, 2018, at 5:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I just asked because this thread has gone on for so long that I don’t even recall your description at the beginning which is why I asked if you could post a message again describing your steps in detail. Regards, Sieghard From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Arlene Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 5:26 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: need some more help with switching voices doing all the steps voice doesn't change, I can't explain it any more clearly than I did. We did all the right steps including selecting Tom, and the voice does not change. Thank you for replying. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 9:14 AM Subject: RE: need some more help with switching voices doing all the steps voice doesn't change, You would really need to post a message explaining step-by-step what you do. The only thing that is obvious to me is that you obviously are in Voiceover Settings when you start, but I would start here and put down things like 1. Double tap on Speech, 2. Double tap on Voice etc. Also, point out what it currently says, e.g. I use Samantha Enhanced so when I swipe to “Voice” after tapping on “Speech”, Voiceover says “Voice, Samantha Enhanced button”. Lastly, let us know what you are trying to do, here are the 3 options you have: 1. Do you want to change your default voice from whatever it is now to Tom Enhanced without adding a second voice? 2. Do you want Tom Enhanced to be your default voice and have another voice available as a second option which you can choose with the language rotor? 3. Do you want another voice to be the default and have Tom Enhanced as a second voice which you can choose with the language rotor? Regards, Sieghard From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Arlene Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 1:05 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: need some more help with switching voices doing all the steps voice doesn't change, Thank you, we've done all that, and actually tom was already in there, so we weren't adding voices. Wayne was able to change the voice last month on one of the phones and even on that one we can't change it again to another voice. Thank you if anyone else knows what we could be missing. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 8:11 AM Subject: RE: need some more help with switching voices doing all the steps voice doesn't change, I assume you somehow are missing a step. Are you changing the default voice or are you adding a second voice? If you are adding Tom as a second voice then after you have done so you need to turn the rotor to languages and flick up or down to select it. Otherwise maybe give Apple Accessibility a call and see if they can walk you through it step by step over the phone. From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Arlene Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 4:06 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: need some more help with switching voices doing all the steps voice doesn't change, This is so strange, Michelle, and, Barb, we did everything you both said to do, and it's troubling the voice isn't changing. If anyone has any idea what could be wrong, and what to do, please let me know. I'm also going to check on apple vis, of which I did get the same directions. I just want to see if there's any more information on there that might be helpful. Thank you again, Barb, and Michelle. Arlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Michelle Hurdt<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 3:06 PM Subject: Re: need help with switching voices Hi, Once I go to settings. I go to general, double tap on accessibility, then double tap on voiceover, double tap on speech, double tap on voice, than double tap download button next to Tom. Once Tom is downloaded double tap on Tom and double tap on top in hats. Then Tom should be speeking. I hope this helps you. Take care, Nichelle Hurdt Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2018, at 3:34 PM, Arlene <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Thank you, but we all ready did that and it's not changing. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:38 PM Subject: RE: need help with switching voices Change it to Tom and if it doesn’t stick turn Voiceover off and back on with a triple press of the home button and see if that helps. From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Arlene Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 12:46 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: need help with switching voices We were attempting to change the voice to the tom voice from Samantha. The tom voice is selected but it won't change. 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