My most sincere apologies. I just made a bad assumption based on your explanation.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 26/09/2012, at 18:06, Grant Hardy <grantha...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi David, > > Not only did I never recommend the crashing method, but I certainly > never use it myself and did not say it was safe. I'm simply clarifying > the technical details of what happens when you invoke the crash. > Please do not imply that I made any claims about the safety of the > method. :) > > Grant > > On 9/25/12, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Cool, crash your device to your heart's content. Please stop recommending it >> like it's an Apple approved method to people who do not understand the risk, >> or show recent Apple approval of the strategy. After all, it is not >> available when VO is off, and it is the only strategy that has ever >> corrupted data on my iPhone. >> >> As for crashing windows explorer being safe, in 2008, a friend crashed my >> windows explorer which caused my system to completely crash, losing my >> thesis research data. I was not amused and my degree was set back a >> semester. It didn't help that my back-up drive was fried by a power surge >> the next day. >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 26/09/2012, at 17:28, Grant Hardy <grantha...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> This is not a reboot or a reset. All that is caused is a crash of your >>> springboard. Think of it as the explorer.exe process on a PC running >>> Windows. If that process is crashed, you can restart the process much >>> faster than restarting the whole PC because while it's an important >>> process, you do not need to reload all of the other componentry of >>> your OS. Likewise here. When you crash the springboard--which is the >>> mechanism used to launch apps and display the home screens--it >>> automatically restarts. It takes less time because you are not >>> restarting iOS, you're merely reloading the springboard process. >>> >>> To summarize again, this is not, the same as resetting your iPhone. >>> >>> Grant >>> >>> On 9/25/12, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Yes, this particular crash reboot only works when VO is active. After >>>> backing up my iPhone today, I tested it. When VO was turned off, >>>> pressing >>>> the power button rapidly 10 times did not invoke the crash. I then turned >>>> VO >>>> back on and invoked the crash reboot. My iPhone came up quite rapidly >>>> after >>>> the crash, which makes me nervous because it means not all of the driver >>>> stacks would have been reloaded. >>>> >>>> There has never been any official Apple documentation stating to use >>>> this >>>> method that I have ever heard of. A couple people, on one of these >>>> lists, >>>> started espousing this method stating that an Apple customer services >>>> rep >>>> told them that it would work almost two years ago. I believe it was with >>>> iOS >>>> 3. Since that time, Apple has blocked this crash from functioning if iOS >>>> is >>>> not running. I wonder if they just forgot to block it with VO running >>>> because so few people use VO, so it hasn't come to their attention. This >>>> last thought is pure speculation on my part. >>>> >>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 26/09/2012, at 11:46, "Jon Pierson" <joncpier...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi David, >>>>> Are you saying this crash-Reset only works with VO? >>>>> Seriously, I have to see where Apple said what about this because it's >>>>> a >>>>> pretty unorthodox approach. >>>>> >>>>> Jon >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of David Chittenden >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:11 PM >>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: VOICE-OVER KEYBOARD BUG! >>>>> >>>>> Yes, especially when one considers the iOS device cannot be force >>>>> rebooted >>>>> in that manner when VO is turned off. In other words, a bug. >>>>> >>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On 26/09/2012, at 9:52, "Raul A. Gallegos" <r...@raulgallegos.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Jon, I agree with you, but since many people are convinced that >>>>> pressing the power button over and over is a safe way to force reboot >>>>> their >>>>> phone, who are we to say otherwise? It's only an opinion after all. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Raul A. Gallegos >>>>>> I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George >>>>>> Best Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com >>>>>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 >>>>>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/25/2012 3:43 PM, Jon Pierson wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> I still cringe when I see the below advice, why not say to Siri: >>>>>>> reboot. >>>>>>> Or why not just press power and home together and hold for a few >>>>>>> seconds? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Richard Turner >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:03 AM >>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Subject: RE: VOICE-OVER KEYBOARD BUG! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just tried it again and all the punctuation speaks just fine. >>>>>>> Try doing the thing where you press the power button six times very >>>>> quickly. >>>>>>> Then, when VoiceOver reloads and you unlock the phone, try it again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If that doesn't work, then you may need to talk with your local Apple >>>>> store. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HTH, >>>>>>> Richard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Carol Pearson >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:58 AM >>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: VOICE-OVER KEYBOARD BUG! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OK, in any textbox, I may go to put in a - in a word. As I slide my >>>>>>> finger along, the only punctuation character which speaks >>>>>>> automatically is the comma and this is weird since I am not sure that >>>>>>> I recall this happening when I was writing yesterday. Since then >>>>>>> I've >>>>> only downloaded two books! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Which reset do you suggest I try? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Carol P >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Richard Turner <mailto:richard.turne...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:35 PM >>>>>>> Subject: RE: VOICE-OVER KEYBOARD BUG! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So am I. >>>>>>> In what situation are you not able to get those symbols to type >>>>>>> exactly? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Richard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] >>>>>>> On Behalf Of Carol Pearson >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:30 AM >>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: VOICE-OVER KEYBOARD BUG! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Should have said that I'm using a 4S. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Carol P >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Richard Turner <mailto:richard.turne...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:59 PM >>>>>>> Subject: RE: VOICE-OVER KEYBOARD BUG! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have no trouble using any of the symbols below the numbers >>>>>>> with touch or standard typing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Richard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Pearson >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:51 AM >>>>>>> To: VI Phone Users >>>>>>> Subject: VOICE-OVER KEYBOARD BUG! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think I've found a rather bad keyboard bug, unless my phone >>>>>>> is acting up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To ensure I wasn't wasting bandwidth, I've already removed >>>>>>> everything from the switcher and rebooted my phone before trying this >>>>>>> again and havfe got the same results. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Basically, whether in touch typing or standard mode, going to >>>>>>> the row of characters below the numbers just gives me clicks. The >>>>>>> only way I can produce these is from memory and then, once the key >>>>>>> has been tapped and my finger has been removed, I can hear the result >>>>>>> of what I've just typed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This also appears to be the cdase on the Emoji keyboard. >>>>>>> Effectivfely this means that you cannot slide your finger around to >>>>>>> find the punctuation/symbol you need to type. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It seems we've found quite a number of bugs today. 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