Hi David, Well the "apple Rep" source without any documentation is not exactly a ringing endorsement from Apple and unless there is documentation for that recommendation then best practices here on the list, especially for new folks who don't know of the risks would be to squelch the rumors and advice which cause folks to do things to their devices which could be harmful. I liken using crash/reset to a blind person in the early days of Eloquence telling someone that when their computer starts to get flakey (& this was under Win98) just open notepad and type in one of those words like saesure that made your hard drive spin very loudly, but did achieve a crash/reboot. So if there's nothing more forthcoming from the advocates of this procedure as per documentation then we've done all that we can to protect people, devices & data. Thanks for the history on this thread.
Jon -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: VOICE-OVER KEYBOARD BUG! Yes, this particular crash reboot only works when VO is active. After backing up my iPhone today, I tested it. When VO was turned off, pressing the power button rapidly 10 times did not invoke the crash. I then turned VO back on and invoked the crash reboot. My iPhone came up quite rapidly after the crash, which makes me nervous because it means not all of the driver stacks would have been reloaded. There has never been any official Apple documentation stating to use this method that I have ever heard of. A couple people, on one of these lists, started espousing this method stating that an Apple customer services rep told them that it would work almost two years ago. I believe it was with iOS 3. Since that time, Apple has blocked this crash from functioning if iOS is not running. I wonder if they just forgot to block it with VO running because so few people use VO, so it hasn't come to their attention. This last thought is pure speculation on my part. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: [email protected] Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 26/09/2012, at 11:46, "Jon Pierson" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi David, > Are you saying this crash-Reset only works with VO? > Seriously, I have to see where Apple said what about this because it's > a pretty unorthodox approach. > > Jon > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of David Chittenden > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:11 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: VOICE-OVER KEYBOARD BUG! > > Yes, especially when one considers the iOS device cannot be force > rebooted in that manner when VO is turned off. In other words, a bug. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: [email protected] > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > > On 26/09/2012, at 9:52, "Raul A. Gallegos" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Jon, I agree with you, but since many people are convinced that > pressing the power button over and over is a safe way to force reboot > their phone, who are we to say otherwise? It's only an opinion after all. >> >> -- >> Raul A. Gallegos >> I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - >> George Best Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com >> Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 >> Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 >> >> On 9/25/2012 3:43 PM, Jon Pierson wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I still cringe when I see the below advice, why not say to Siri: reboot. >>> Or why not just press power and home together and hold for a few seconds? >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Richard Turner >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:03 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: VOICE-OVER KEYBOARD BUG! >>> >>> I just tried it again and all the punctuation speaks just fine. >>> Try doing the thing where you press the power button six times very > quickly. >>> Then, when VoiceOver reloads and you unlock the phone, try it again. >>> >>> If that doesn't work, then you may need to talk with your local >>> Apple > store. >>> >>> HTH, >>> Richard >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Carol Pearson >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:58 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: VOICE-OVER KEYBOARD BUG! >>> >>> >>> OK, in any textbox, I may go to put in a - in a word. As I slide my >>> finger along, the only punctuation character which speaks >>> automatically is the comma and this is weird since I am not sure >>> that I recall this happening when I was writing yesterday. Since >>> then I've > only downloaded two books! >>> >>> Which reset do you suggest I try? >>> >>> Carol P >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Richard Turner <mailto:[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:35 PM >>> Subject: RE: VOICE-OVER KEYBOARD BUG! >>> >>> So am I. >>> In what situation are you not able to get those symbols to type >>> exactly? >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On Behalf Of Carol Pearson >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:30 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: VOICE-OVER KEYBOARD BUG! >>> >>> >>> Should have said that I'm using a 4S. >>> >>> Carol P >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Richard Turner <mailto:[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:59 PM >>> Subject: RE: VOICE-OVER KEYBOARD BUG! >>> >>> I have no trouble using any of the symbols below the numbers >>> with touch or standard typing. >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carol Pearson >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:51 AM >>> To: VI Phone Users >>> Subject: VOICE-OVER KEYBOARD BUG! >>> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I think I've found a rather bad keyboard bug, unless my phone >>> is acting up. >>> >>> To ensure I wasn't wasting bandwidth, I've already removed >>> everything from the switcher and rebooted my phone before trying >>> this again and havfe got the same results. >>> >>> Basically, whether in touch typing or standard mode, going to >>> the row of characters below the numbers just gives me clicks. The >>> only way I can produce these is from memory and then, once the key >>> has been tapped and my finger has been removed, I can hear the >>> result of what I've just typed. >>> >>> This also appears to be the cdase on the Emoji keyboard. >>> Effectivfely this means that you cannot slide your finger around to >>> find the punctuation/symbol you need to type. >>> >>> It seems we've found quite a number of bugs today. 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