Hi David, Not only did I never recommend the crashing method, but I certainly never use it myself and did not say it was safe. I'm simply clarifying the technical details of what happens when you invoke the crash. Please do not imply that I made any claims about the safety of the method. :)
Grant On 9/25/12, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: > Cool, crash your device to your heart's content. Please stop recommending it > like it's an Apple approved method to people who do not understand the risk, > or show recent Apple approval of the strategy. After all, it is not > available when VO is off, and it is the only strategy that has ever > corrupted data on my iPhone. > > As for crashing windows explorer being safe, in 2008, a friend crashed my > windows explorer which caused my system to completely crash, losing my > thesis research data. I was not amused and my degree was set back a > semester. It didn't help that my back-up drive was fried by a power surge > the next day. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > > On 26/09/2012, at 17:28, Grant Hardy <grantha...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi David, >> >> This is not a reboot or a reset. All that is caused is a crash of your >> springboard. Think of it as the explorer.exe process on a PC running >> Windows. If that process is crashed, you can restart the process much >> faster than restarting the whole PC because while it's an important >> process, you do not need to reload all of the other componentry of >> your OS. Likewise here. When you crash the springboard--which is the >> mechanism used to launch apps and display the home screens--it >> automatically restarts. It takes less time because you are not >> restarting iOS, you're merely reloading the springboard process. >> >> To summarize again, this is not, the same as resetting your iPhone. >> >> Grant >> >> On 9/25/12, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Yes, this particular crash reboot only works when VO is active. After >>> backing up my iPhone today, I tested it. When VO was turned off, >>> pressing >>> the power button rapidly 10 times did not invoke the crash. I then turned >>> VO >>> back on and invoked the crash reboot. My iPhone came up quite rapidly >>> after >>> the crash, which makes me nervous because it means not all of the driver >>> stacks would have been reloaded. >>> >>> There has never been any official Apple documentation stating to use >>> this >>> method that I have ever heard of. A couple people, on one of these >>> lists, >>> started espousing this method stating that an Apple customer services >>> rep >>> told them that it would work almost two years ago. I believe it was with >>> iOS >>> 3. Since that time, Apple has blocked this crash from functioning if iOS >>> is >>> not running. I wonder if they just forgot to block it with VO running >>> because so few people use VO, so it hasn't come to their attention. This >>> last thought is pure speculation on my part. >>> >>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 26/09/2012, at 11:46, "Jon Pierson" <joncpier...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi David, >>>> Are you saying this crash-Reset only works with VO? >>>> Seriously, I have to see where Apple said what about this because it's >>>> a >>>> pretty unorthodox approach. >>>> >>>> Jon >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of David Chittenden >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:11 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: VOICE-OVER KEYBOARD BUG! >>>> >>>> Yes, especially when one considers the iOS device cannot be force >>>> rebooted >>>> in that manner when VO is turned off. In other words, a bug. >>>> >>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 26/09/2012, at 9:52, "Raul A. Gallegos" <r...@raulgallegos.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Jon, I agree with you, but since many people are convinced that >>>> pressing the power button over and over is a safe way to force reboot >>>> their >>>> phone, who are we to say otherwise? It's only an opinion after all. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Raul A. Gallegos >>>>> I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George >>>>> Best Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com >>>>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 >>>>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 >>>>> >>>>> On 9/25/2012 3:43 PM, Jon Pierson wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> I still cringe when I see the below advice, why not say to Siri: >>>>>> reboot. >>>>>> Or why not just press power and home together and hold for a few >>>>>> seconds? >>>>>> >>>>>> Jon >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Richard Turner >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:03 AM >>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: RE: VOICE-OVER KEYBOARD BUG! >>>>>> >>>>>> I just tried it again and all the punctuation speaks just fine. >>>>>> Try doing the thing where you press the power button six times very >>>> quickly. >>>>>> Then, when VoiceOver reloads and you unlock the phone, try it again. >>>>>> >>>>>> If that doesn't work, then you may need to talk with your local Apple >>>> store. >>>>>> >>>>>> HTH, >>>>>> Richard >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Carol Pearson >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:58 AM >>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: VOICE-OVER KEYBOARD BUG! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> OK, in any textbox, I may go to put in a - in a word. As I slide my >>>>>> finger along, the only punctuation character which speaks >>>>>> automatically is the comma and this is weird since I am not sure that >>>>>> I recall this happening when I was writing yesterday. Since then >>>>>> I've >>>> only downloaded two books! >>>>>> >>>>>> Which reset do you suggest I try? >>>>>> >>>>>> Carol P >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Richard Turner <mailto:richard.turne...@gmail.com> >>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:35 PM >>>>>> Subject: RE: VOICE-OVER KEYBOARD BUG! >>>>>> >>>>>> So am I. >>>>>> In what situation are you not able to get those symbols to type >>>>>> exactly? >>>>>> >>>>>> Richard >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] >>>>>> On Behalf Of Carol Pearson >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:30 AM >>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: VOICE-OVER KEYBOARD BUG! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Should have said that I'm using a 4S. >>>>>> >>>>>> Carol P >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Richard Turner <mailto:richard.turne...@gmail.com> >>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:59 PM >>>>>> Subject: RE: VOICE-OVER KEYBOARD BUG! >>>>>> >>>>>> I have no trouble using any of the symbols below the numbers >>>>>> with touch or standard typing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Richard >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Pearson >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:51 AM >>>>>> To: VI Phone Users >>>>>> Subject: VOICE-OVER KEYBOARD BUG! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I think I've found a rather bad keyboard bug, unless my phone >>>>>> is acting up. >>>>>> >>>>>> To ensure I wasn't wasting bandwidth, I've already removed >>>>>> everything from the switcher and rebooted my phone before trying this >>>>>> again and havfe got the same results. >>>>>> >>>>>> Basically, whether in touch typing or standard mode, going to >>>>>> the row of characters below the numbers just gives me clicks. The >>>>>> only way I can produce these is from memory and then, once the key >>>>>> has been tapped and my finger has been removed, I can hear the result >>>>>> of what I've just typed. >>>>>> >>>>>> This also appears to be the cdase on the Emoji keyboard. >>>>>> Effectivfely this means that you cannot slide your finger around to >>>>>> find the punctuation/symbol you need to type. >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems we've found quite a number of bugs today. 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