Then I would please ask that you do that, if you know how to do those things 
then this is great, we must act together as a community though.



Regards,

Neil Barnfather

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Twitter @neilbarnfather

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On 12 Nov 2012, at 15:25, Kelly Pierce <[email protected]> wrote:

> Neil,
> 
> I read the article before I sent my earlier message.  Sitting on our
> duffs and tweeting does not hold entities accountable to third
> parties.  Only a court can order a company to provide accessibility or
> face significant penalties.  Beyond that, I like Joe’s idea of joining
> an Applevis app access campaign or folks posting reviews and articles
> on mainstream technology websites.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/12/12, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Thank you, I will write you off list…
>> 
>> Can I ask for a Tweet from the article never the less please? thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple
>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - [email protected]
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> On 12 Nov 2012, at 15:00, Joe <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Good article, and I'm all about social networking to advance causes. Yet,
>>> app development is too fragmented for this to be a good vehicle. The
>>> better
>>> way of going about this is by supporting the AppleVis campaigns that
>>> target
>>> specific developers at a time. Also, take to writing to public forums
>>> where
>>> the audience is not primarily blind. Twitter could serve that function,
>>> but
>>> Twitter is also busy. You don't come across what you're not looking for.
>>> CNET is one good venue. Gizmoto is another. Maybe consider writing an
>>> article to be floated around ArsTechnica. More is likely to come from
>>> hitting up those venues. Overall though, I agree, and I will do what I
>>> can
>>> to support your efforts. Personally, I think Microsoft has taken a good
>>> first step by adding a disclaimer to items on its Store as to whether it
>>> is
>>> thought to be accessible or not. Maybe we ought to turn similar efforts
>>> to
>>> Apple to begin making accessibility ratings a part of its Store. I'm not
>>> all
>>> about leveraging legal and ethical arguments. A developer does not sit
>>> down
>>> to think about moral values when designing applications. They're thinking
>>> about their primary customer base. That happens not to be us, which is
>>> unfortunate, but they can learn differently if we take a strategic
>>> approach
>>> to educating them about the benefits of opening their apps to an even
>>> larger
>>> audience. Just some thoughts.
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
>>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 7:28 AM
>>> To: The Accessible Phones Discussion List; Talks Mailing List;
>>> [email protected]; [email protected];
>>> [email protected]
>>> Subject: A stance against inaccessibility...
>>> Importance: High
>>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> Forgive the cross list posting, but, I like many of you feel that the
>>> time
>>> has come to stand up and be counted with regards to inaccessible Apps,
>>> and
>>> those who produce them. Please see my below article, and if you agree,
>>> please I urge you to use the Twitter link at the end and Tweet this as
>>> much
>>> as is possible. We need to stand up, and be counted in our collective
>>> community.
>>> 
>>> I would ask all of you to Tweet this and RT as much as is humanly
>>> possible.
>>> Lets see if we can make a difference today...
>>> 
>>> I wanted you to see this article:
>>> http://www.neilbarnfather.com/accessibility-matters-sonos
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple
>>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>>> accessible
>>> phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
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>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
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