Thank you Bob, it was beginning to feel a little negative. Given I got an award for thousands of blind people in 2009 for Wayfinder Access from Vodafone, that pay out was worth more than a million Euros, and I did it with nothing more than social media and our own peer pressure.
Suddenly though folk seem to think its not worth it, it saddens me a lot. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - [email protected] Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 12 Nov 2012, at 15:51, Robert Fenton <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello everybody: > > I think we shoul be caut ious about dampening peoples enthusiasm about > pursuing advocacy efforts in the manner that they choose to do. While a > twitter campaign does not have any legal significance, it does provide a > vehicle for causing corporations to feel public pressure that their goods, > wares and services do not meet publicly accepted standards of accessibility. > From my perspective, I am pleased that the campaign has been initiated and I > applaud Neil for his efforts. I also agree that the approach proposed by > others is also reasonable. Let's not get wrapped up in the fact that only > courts can initiate change on accessibility. Public pressure is a good > vehicle also. This is coming from a lawyer who favors the court system > anyway, (smile). > > Bob Fenton > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-11-12, at 8:25 AM, Kelly Pierce <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Neil, >> >> I read the article before I sent my earlier message. Sitting on our >> duffs and tweeting does not hold entities accountable to third >> parties. Only a court can order a company to provide accessibility or >> face significant penalties. Beyond that, I like Joe’s idea of joining >> an Applevis app access campaign or folks posting reviews and articles >> on mainstream technology websites. >> >> Kelly >> >> >> >> >> On 11/12/12, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Thank you, I will write you off list… >>> >>> Can I ask for a Tweet from the article never the less please? thanks. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Neil Barnfather >>> >>> Talks List Administrator >>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>> >>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple >>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your >>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >>> >>> URL: - www.talknav.com >>> e-mail: - [email protected] >>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>> >>> On 12 Nov 2012, at 15:00, Joe <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Good article, and I'm all about social networking to advance causes. Yet, >>>> app development is too fragmented for this to be a good vehicle. The >>>> better >>>> way of going about this is by supporting the AppleVis campaigns that >>>> target >>>> specific developers at a time. Also, take to writing to public forums >>>> where >>>> the audience is not primarily blind. Twitter could serve that function, >>>> but >>>> Twitter is also busy. You don't come across what you're not looking for. >>>> CNET is one good venue. Gizmoto is another. Maybe consider writing an >>>> article to be floated around ArsTechnica. More is likely to come from >>>> hitting up those venues. Overall though, I agree, and I will do what I >>>> can >>>> to support your efforts. Personally, I think Microsoft has taken a good >>>> first step by adding a disclaimer to items on its Store as to whether it >>>> is >>>> thought to be accessible or not. Maybe we ought to turn similar efforts >>>> to >>>> Apple to begin making accessibility ratings a part of its Store. I'm not >>>> all >>>> about leveraging legal and ethical arguments. A developer does not sit >>>> down >>>> to think about moral values when designing applications. They're thinking >>>> about their primary customer base. That happens not to be us, which is >>>> unfortunate, but they can learn differently if we take a strategic >>>> approach >>>> to educating them about the benefits of opening their apps to an even >>>> larger >>>> audience. Just some thoughts. >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav >>>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 7:28 AM >>>> To: The Accessible Phones Discussion List; Talks Mailing List; >>>> [email protected]; [email protected]; >>>> [email protected] >>>> Subject: A stance against inaccessibility... >>>> Importance: High >>>> >>>> All, >>>> >>>> Forgive the cross list posting, but, I like many of you feel that the >>>> time >>>> has come to stand up and be counted with regards to inaccessible Apps, >>>> and >>>> those who produce them. Please see my below article, and if you agree, >>>> please I urge you to use the Twitter link at the end and Tweet this as >>>> much >>>> as is possible. We need to stand up, and be counted in our collective >>>> community. >>>> >>>> I would ask all of you to Tweet this and RT as much as is humanly >>>> possible. >>>> Lets see if we can make a difference today... >>>> >>>> I wanted you to see this article: >>>> http://www.neilbarnfather.com/accessibility-matters-sonos >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Neil Barnfather >>>> >>>> Talks List Administrator >>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>>> >>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple >>>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. 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