Hello everybody: I think we shoul be caut ious about dampening peoples enthusiasm about pursuing advocacy efforts in the manner that they choose to do. While a twitter campaign does not have any legal significance, it does provide a vehicle for causing corporations to feel public pressure that their goods, wares and services do not meet publicly accepted standards of accessibility. From my perspective, I am pleased that the campaign has been initiated and I applaud Neil for his efforts. I also agree that the approach proposed by others is also reasonable. Let's not get wrapped up in the fact that only courts can initiate change on accessibility. Public pressure is a good vehicle also. This is coming from a lawyer who favors the court system anyway, (smile).
Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2012-11-12, at 8:25 AM, Kelly Pierce <[email protected]> wrote: > Neil, > > I read the article before I sent my earlier message. Sitting on our > duffs and tweeting does not hold entities accountable to third > parties. Only a court can order a company to provide accessibility or > face significant penalties. Beyond that, I like Joe’s idea of joining > an Applevis app access campaign or folks posting reviews and articles > on mainstream technology websites. > > Kelly > > > > > On 11/12/12, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav <[email protected]> wrote: >> Thank you, I will write you off list… >> >> Can I ask for a Tweet from the article never the less please? thanks. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil Barnfather >> >> Talks List Administrator >> Twitter @neilbarnfather >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple >> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your >> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >> >> URL: - www.talknav.com >> e-mail: - [email protected] >> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >> >> On 12 Nov 2012, at 15:00, Joe <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Good article, and I'm all about social networking to advance causes. Yet, >>> app development is too fragmented for this to be a good vehicle. The >>> better >>> way of going about this is by supporting the AppleVis campaigns that >>> target >>> specific developers at a time. Also, take to writing to public forums >>> where >>> the audience is not primarily blind. Twitter could serve that function, >>> but >>> Twitter is also busy. You don't come across what you're not looking for. >>> CNET is one good venue. Gizmoto is another. Maybe consider writing an >>> article to be floated around ArsTechnica. More is likely to come from >>> hitting up those venues. Overall though, I agree, and I will do what I >>> can >>> to support your efforts. Personally, I think Microsoft has taken a good >>> first step by adding a disclaimer to items on its Store as to whether it >>> is >>> thought to be accessible or not. Maybe we ought to turn similar efforts >>> to >>> Apple to begin making accessibility ratings a part of its Store. I'm not >>> all >>> about leveraging legal and ethical arguments. A developer does not sit >>> down >>> to think about moral values when designing applications. They're thinking >>> about their primary customer base. That happens not to be us, which is >>> unfortunate, but they can learn differently if we take a strategic >>> approach >>> to educating them about the benefits of opening their apps to an even >>> larger >>> audience. Just some thoughts. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav >>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 7:28 AM >>> To: The Accessible Phones Discussion List; Talks Mailing List; >>> [email protected]; [email protected]; >>> [email protected] >>> Subject: A stance against inaccessibility... >>> Importance: High >>> >>> All, >>> >>> Forgive the cross list posting, but, I like many of you feel that the >>> time >>> has come to stand up and be counted with regards to inaccessible Apps, >>> and >>> those who produce them. Please see my below article, and if you agree, >>> please I urge you to use the Twitter link at the end and Tweet this as >>> much >>> as is possible. We need to stand up, and be counted in our collective >>> community. >>> >>> I would ask all of you to Tweet this and RT as much as is humanly >>> possible. >>> Lets see if we can make a difference today... >>> >>> I wanted you to see this article: >>> http://www.neilbarnfather.com/accessibility-matters-sonos >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Neil Barnfather >>> >>> Talks List Administrator >>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>> >>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple >>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. 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