Jones Beene wrote:

> Actually I am hoping for a local player to step in at the last
> second with the self-powered unit, but it could also be Moller or
> Mills or Storms or Shoulders or Tessien instead. The 2nd Law will
> crumble soon. IMHO the big prize for breaking the law (2nd Law)
> and throwing physics into the disarray it rightly deserves for
> ingrained pig-headedness - will go for the device itself, and not
> the underlying theory, which may take a generation to flesh out.
> Let me repeat one thing - massive heat OU is NOT going to be
> enough - you must demonstrate a self-powered unit to remove all
> doubt.


If such a device existed, how could one decide if its performance was a
result of violating the first law rather than the second law?

Harry

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