Bob Now this is a much better critical tone than presented in the last dozen or so negative critical comments. The last series of comments reminded me of the tone of comments being fired at P&F in 1989 and 1990 by the wise old physics establishment. At that time it was the Coulomb barrier that could not be crossed. Now it is the nasty neutrons that necessarily are dangerous and engender bad gammas.
I remain unconvinced about the bad neutrons and energetic gammas, although I recognize the conditions referred to by the critics as being real and resulting in bad gammas. My conclusion is the critics do not understand the physics and or other science of small systems of particles that have properties much different than that of the systems they know. If the authors are embarrassed as has been suggested they should be, I doubt they will come to Vortex-L for consultation. Bob Cook From: Bob Higgins Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 12:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through I think it is appropriate for forums such as Vortex-L to debate the value of new papers. We should be fair, honest, and not defamatory. We should not impugn the integrity of the authors. I tried to be fair and explicit in what I said. I would love for the authors to respond on Vortex - lets get at the truth. Bob Higgins On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Eric Walker <[email protected]> wrote: On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Jones Beene <[email protected]> wrote: In short (at the risk of being repetitive) ... this theory is an embarrassment to the two guys who proposed it since they did not recognize the insurmountable problems. I don't know. I think it's kind of an interesting time to watch this field -- it feels a little like what it might have been like during the dawn of the scientific method. We need to encourage a learning attitude, and people should be allowed to make mistakes in public without incurring a stigma. As the authors become better acquainted with nuclear physics, this understanding will either modify the approach they take, or at least they'll know which concerns to address up front, knowing there will be certain types of complaint (e.g., free neutrons, gammas, etc.). The super-harsh critics who watch this kind of attempt and draw scathing conclusions about people looking into LENR are not a big concern, in my opinion. We should be encouraging and not take too critical an eye to attempts such as the one by Lunden and Lidgren. In addition, we should be open to fragments of insight that might be hidden in such attempts. Eric
