Jones, I can not get into the mind of Rossi or Darden for that matter and understand exactly why we are seeing such an unpleasant circumstance. We would all rather see the issue resolved and LENR advanced but this is what we have to deal with.
There have been many occasions when I would have liked to grab Rossi by the shoulders and insist that he give us direct answers to the many questions that arise, but this is not possible. He has been difficult to read as everyone realizes. That is part of the nature of creative individuals in many cases. I have made many attempts to read between the lines in an effort to better understand the current situation and have come up empty. I have a great deal of respect for Darden and feel that he is sincere, but I realize that he is a venture capitalist and making money is one of his prime objectives. Could he be using the tools at his disposal for this purpose? So, it remains important for us to keep an open mind until the dust settles before any accurate conclusions can be drawn. The ERV should help us to decide what is true and before that report is released I am going to stand by. At this point all I can do is to understand the basic principles of operation for these types of devices and assume that Rossi is not totally faking his claims. As I have pointed out, if we accept that a COP of 1.5 is real, then there should be virtually no limitation to the level that can be achieved with proper design. This is not the same as stating that a practical level of output power at that high level of COP can be obtained. The amount of fuel might become uneconomical at some point, or the size of the device could become excessive, etc. I sincerely hope that Rossi is giving us the honest facts, but that is not adequately proven so far. Until that time I remain hopefully optimistic. You appear to be more skeptical than most guys on the vortex. I hope that one day soon we will all reach a consensus. The world needs LENR so badly. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jones Beene <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Apr 11, 2016 1:07 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb Dave, One other thing. I mention this because your opinion is important here, so please consider this: Tom Darden says that he has seen no thermal gain from Rossi. Tom Darden is an honest man and put $10 million of his money up front. Jed Rothwell has visited him and affirms that he is an honest man and wants to put more money into a valid device. His reputation is clean. Rossi’s reputation is not just soiled, it stinks. But above the reputations there is the science, and as you suggest – if a COP of 1.5 could be staged by linking many levels -- so that COP of 6 was the result, then please tell me why Rossi never could do this and present it to Tom Darden? If Rossi had done this, we would not be witnessing this soap opera. From: David Roberson If you accept that Rossi can achieve a COP of 1.5 then you must realize that adding insulation can be used to increase that number to any desired level. Not true at all, Dave The COP of 1.5 requires good insulation to begin with. We have been thought this before, if you will remember. Achieving net gain requires a trigger, but every experimenter in the field has noted that a thermal trigger is no sufficient. Look at the old posts. An electrical trigger of some kind is also necessary, otherwise – the units could be linked in stages. There are dozens of posts in the archive on this – some from you, IIRC.
