Slad gave figures for the pipe sizes for the input of water and the exit
of steam for the 1 MW plant. It occurred to me that the pipe size is
not critical if the system is really a closed loop. The flow rate of
water is easy to measure. Whether the output is dry steam depends
largely on the temperature, which is also easy to measure. So if the
temperature was say 120C, it would be dry. So really the only unknown
required to prove whether the 1 MW plant worked is that temperature, if
it is high enough.
He also gives comments about the temperature in the E--Cat container
that supports what I wrote earlier.
ref
https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/3232-To-discus-the-science-behind-the-dispute-between-Rossi-and-Industrial-Heat/?pageNo=14
"Slad
Yesterday, 11:41pm
@Tom P, interesting idea... Send steam out, get steam returned back,
pretend you just boiled some water. The problem is the pipe diameters as
seen in photos of the shipping container.
The outlet pipe looks to be about 125mm diameter. In order to send 1MW
of steam down such a pipe, the steam velocity would be approx 25m/s. The
return pipe looks to be about 25mm in diameter, a 25 times reduction in
cross sectional area.
This means if this pipe contains steam, it's velocity would be approx.
525m/s... 1.55x the speed of sound! (This would be a very bad thing from
an engineering/safety perspective)
@Dewey Weaver... If you don't mind me saying, I think you should stick
to what you are good at, namely venture capitalism, and trolling forums
- not pontificating on thermodynamics. To reply to a post full of
numbers with a sarcastic comment is pretty bad form anywhere, but
particularly so on a science forum.
Sure, I didn't include all my workings as (a) it would have taken to
long to type, (b) people don't want to read about Nusselt and Prandtl
numbers, (c) anyone with the ability to check my workings will likely
have their own spreadsheets or simulators if they want to check what I
said is correct.
Really, you should be more grateful. I just saved you $1000's of dollars
that you could of blown on having someone model this...
The thing is, thermodynamics isn't an art... it's a science. It's based
100 year old theories and 'simple' calculations. Hence (unless the
shipping container is crammed into a tiny little room) anyone you pay to
do the calcs will get pretty much the same answers as I gave.
Unless you have some proper drawings for what's inside the 250kW ecats
(i.e. insulation type(s) and thickness), it will be a useless exercise
anyway... My calculations are only intended to show that it would be
exceptionally easy to design a system that doesn't "boil your fish bowl"
or whatever expression you wish to use... Between 10 to 50mm of
bog-standard insulation is all that's necessary.
One little hint: When you are looking for your expert to do this
supposed thermal modelling, make sure they have an engineering
qualifications; Japanese language translators, who have once visited a
ships engine room, are rarely up to the necessary calibre... Including
have been running their own LENR library for years.
EDIT: The fourth picture down this page shows 4.4MW's of boiler stuck in
a basement, with a HVAC system smaller than found in a small (500
person) nightclub. Funny that.
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