At any rate, I think you can agree that some thought experiments, seemingly
applying the laws of physics as we understand them lead to some
possibilities for breaking the laws or physics as we understand them.

And if software than could calculate all of that was run and predicted some
violation, it might be correct based on out understanding and maybe in
reality too and not a glitch.

I personally doubt any of these schemes is how true violations happen, they
occur IMO by disturbing the fabric of space, mske interactions asymmetric.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:04 PM, John Shop <> wrote:

> On 5/06/2018 1:51 PM, John Berry wrote:
> Actually, I have another one...
> Take a large loop apply a current, we see that each side of the loop
> experiences a pushing outwards.
> Now, we remove one side, from the loop and replace it with capacitor
> plates.
> No we energize a current through our broken loop and each side feels a
> force pushing away from the center.
> But, we only have 3 sides now, the 4th side is a displacement current, and
> while the displacement current creates a magnetic field, on what is the
> force placed?
> It would seem that where the circuit completed through the electric
> permitivity of space, it would be space that is the charge carrier, maybe
> it is virtual particles being polarized?
> The point is that while this circuit will only produce thrust for a moment
> before we need to reverse our connections, we can do so and the directions
> all reverse except the direction of thrust which is the same.
> This is interesting as if you can put a current, if space can be
> polarized, then it can also be thrust against!
> Indeed I also thought about this situation at great length a long time
> ago, and even built a device which might have worked.  However at the time
> I did not have an RF generator so tried to drive it by exciting the circuit
> with sparking.  I did not see any effect and doing some calculations
> suggested that any effect that may be obtained with reasonable componentry
> will be negligibly small.  How do you get even a fraction of an amp to flow
> through a capacitor with large spacing between the plates!?  Only by using
> very high frequencies!  And then you need the same very high frequency
> magnetic field to be generated 90 degrees out of phase with the
> displacement current passing through the capacitor to produce some force.
> A very difficult experiment that *might* achieve a negligibly small effect!

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