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From: "Horace Heffner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Electron fugacity, deuteron fugacity, and applied fields


> 
> On Jul 30, 2007, at 4:26 AM, Michel Jullian wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Horace for the explanations, it seems to me "higher electron  
>> density = higher probability of electron screening" is what they  
>> boil down to, which makes sense, let me know if I am excessively  
>> oversimplifying (BTW I still think that "electron screening"  
>> adequately describes the generic concept of getting one or several  
>> electrons in between deuterons or protons to screen their mutual  
>> repulsion and get them into fusing distance, if you don't like it  
>> please propose a better generic expression and I'll adopt it)
> 
> OK, I see you are right about needing a term to distinguish and  
> define the proposed process.
> The best I can come up with is "electron  
> deflation fusion catalysis", EDFC, or better just "deflation fusion".
> 
> Electron screening has two other meanings, as far as I know.
> 
> One type of screening is the effect of the distribution of charge in  
> the electron wave functions of orbital electrons.  This distribution  
> of charge of a single orbital electron is over a large volume,  
> compared to nuclear distances, thus this screening is very tenuous,  
> and requires long tunneling distances of the hydrogen nucleus to  
> achieve fusion.
> 
> Another kind of electron screening can occur when all (actually only  
> "most" because the wave function of a free electron is infinite in  
> size) of the wave function of one or two free electrons gets between  
> two hydrogen nuclei.  This can only happen if the bulk of the wave  
> function is small, thus the de Broglie wavelength small, thus the  
> momentum and energy of the electron(s) high.  This happens with great  
> frequency only in very hot dense environments.  It might be possible  
> to engineer this kind of screening though.
> 
> The third kind of screening, that to which I refer when talking about  
> electron fugacity, I think is not really screening at all. It is wave  
> function collapse - a term which has meaning I suppose only depending  
> on the quantum interpretation invoked.  Regardless, I think this is a  
> very real phenomenon.  Consider the electron capture reaction.  An  
> electron with a wave function covering a volume thousands of times  
> that of a nucleus suddenly becomes part of the nucleus. Similarly, in  
> the photoelectric effect, a photon from across the universe, having a  
> wave function of very large size, collapses its energy onto one tiny  
> electron on one atom to eject it from its orbital.  Similarly, an  
> electron on one side of a Josephson junction has a wave function that  
> extends to the other side of the junction with only a small (integral  
> of the volume) probability. Yet, when it tunnels across, it has a  
> newly centered (center of mass) wave function having only a small  
> probability of being where it was on the other side. These are  
> examples of wave function collapse, where a formerly voluminous wave  
> function can suddenly change both location and volume dramatically. 

Still, the less dramatic the change of location, the more probable the change 
isn't it?
 
> This wave function collapse can happen and in fact happens when it is  
> energetically favorable.  In deflation fusion the wave functions of  
> the electron and two hydrogen nuclei momentarily collapse into a  
> small volume, their centers of mass being co-located.  At this point  
> weak and/or strong nuclear reactions may occur.  I think this is very  
> different from a screening process.

I think I can see the nuance, but I'll definitely have to brush up my quantum 
mechanics if I must delve deeper into your elucubrations (I have decided to 
promote the use of this very nice word in the English language ;-)

> The key ingredient to making this  
> occur is stressing the electron wave function so as to make its  
> collapse with two nearby nuclei energetically favorable. Note that  
> such a collapse upon a single nucleus, followed by the likely zero  
> point field electron wave function expansion, is much more likely
> but  
> would be an unnoticed event, an event without any "ash".

Not sure what you mean, if you mean proton (or deuteron) + electron -> neutron 
(or dineutron) this has ashes obviously.

>>> My initial aim was more at explanation, but if the principle applies
>>> then the engineering becomes comparatively simple.  Make the cell,
>>> especially the cathode, extremely negative.
>>
>> A few comments on this:
>>
>> 1/ You mean extremely negatively charged I imagine, an extremely  
>> negative electric potential being meaningless if you don't say  
>> relative to what.
> 
> 
> This is where the term "electron fugacity" instead of "potential" has  
> usefulness.  I mean relative to the potential of any material having  
> a neutral charge balance, one positive for every negative charge.  In  
> practical terms this means ground.

What do you mean? If you're saying that an object at ground potential is 
necessarily neutral, or close to neutral, you couldn't be more wrong.

> It is significant, however, that  
> ground electron fugacity varies a great deal, and thus ground  
> electron fugacity may in fact affect whether cold fusion experiments  
> work or not.  I assume by "high potential" that a potential is  
> reached that guarantees a high electron fugacity.
> 
> 
> 
>>
>> 2/ Macroscopically speaking only the surface of a conductor can be  
>> charged, the inside is neutral.
> 
> 
> The keyword is "conductor".  As the conduction bands are filled with  
> charge, and become immobilized at the surface a conductor can stop  
> being a conductor at the surface.

But this is not the case in a CF cathode, if its surface stopped conducting 
then the electrolysis would stop wouldn't it? Assuming you agree, then a CF 
cathode is definitely a conductor, so it is neutral inside, so its 
non-neutrality is restricted to the surface.

Michel

> In this case electrons can build up  
> in and fill conduction bands just beneath the surface. This actually  
> causes the orbitals to bulge out into space above the surface, and  
> with a enough potential the probability of electrons tunneling out  
> into space away from the metal becomes large.
> 
> 
>>
>> 3/ There is a limit to the charge you can accumulate at the surface  
>> of a metal (by imposing an electric field, no other way is there?),  
>> beyond which the electric field pulls the electrons out of the metal.
>>
>> Kindly let me know (*) if you agree with the 3 points above.
> 
> Generally speaking yes, but with the minor yet significant  
> distinctions noted.
> 
> 
>>
>> Michel
>>
>> (*) concisely if possible (these days the length of your posts  
>> beats even Jones, pity for the French among us ;-)
> 
> Sorry for the wordiness!  I will soon have to get back to mundane  
> things, so I won't have time to be wordy.  I have used this venture  
> into the fun world of ideas as an excuse to procrastinate.
> 
> Horace Heffner
> http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
> 
> 
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