If you had bothered to read he references provided you would know
your statement is nonsense.
"There is another type of battery that does not appear in the table
above, since it is limited in the relative amount of current it can
deliver. However, it has even higher energy storage per kilogram, and
its temperature range is extreme, from -55 to +150°C. That type is
Lithium Thionyl Chloride. It is used in extremely hazardous or
critical applications such as space flight and deep sea diving."
On Dec 27, 2011, at 12:46 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Horace, lithium batteries will explode in a high temperatures of
ecat, especially if batterypack is thermally isolated. Only
chemically plausible idea is to hide a bucketful of thermite or
some other oxygen containing mixture of chemical compounds and an
apparatus for controlled or catalyzed burning. Just ten liters
would be enough for explaining the ecat.
But even with the thermite, there will be not just the myriads of
engineering difficulties, but also physical limitations that the
density of thermite is too low compared to measured 100 kg weight.
Of course if there is stuffed some depleted uranium few liters,
then we have no problems with the weight.
—Jouni
On Dec 27, 2011 11:11 AM, "Horace Heffner" <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Dec 26, 2011, at 6:32 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Put it this way, if this isn't a nuclear reaction, it is some kind
of super-battery, probably worth billions just for that.
Unfortunately for this battery idea, ... helium.
A Lithium Thionyl Chloride battery works out OK. See post below
(archive down at the moment):
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Subject: [Vo]:Duplicating Rossi is not worthwhile
Date: December 10, 2011 6:20:12 PM AKST
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Duplicating Rossi's setup is not worthwhile. If he is not a fraud
it is likely Rossi has something extraordinary. If there is a
reasonable chance of actually duplicating that, or something
similar, then that is worthwhile. However success along those
lines, developing a commercial quality LENR reactor without
extensive research and good facilities is highly unlikely - even
less likely than developing transistor technology in 1930 I would
guess.
The notion that Rossi's device is self delusion has looked to me
less and less likely day by day.
That leaves fraud as the remaining possibility to consider when
designing such a test. Such a test is ridiculous. Of course the
device can be faked, by numerous means.
Despite the fact Rossi removed the outer cover on the E-cat, no one
was permitted to see inside the 30x30x30 cm inner box, or the
reactor box(es) inside the inner box. Four water tight conduits
lead from the outside of the outer box to the inside of the inner
box. Anything can be inside the inner box. No one has seen the
inside of that box. The inner box has a volume of 27 liters. It
can be water tight.
What can be put inside the inner box? Lots of chemical things of
course.
The simplest might be to use a lithium battery, perhaps a Lithium
Thionyl Chloride battery.
http://www.allaboutbatteries.com/Battery-Energy.html
"The specifications for Lithium Thionyl Chloride are $1.16 per watt-
hour, 700 watts/kg, 2,000,000 Joules/kg, and 1100 watt-hours per
liter. For more information of Lithium Thionyl Chloride please
contact Tadiran Batteries."
The total kWh output produced by the 6 Oct 2011 E-cat was about 27
kWh. See:
http://www.mtaonline.net/%7Ehheffner/Rossi6Oct2011noBias.pdf
Net output was about 18 kWh.
At 1100 wh/liter that is 29.7 kWh capacity in the 27 liter inner
box. That leaves a lot of room for electronic control devices.
Might need to route some of the cold water input so as to cool the
battery. Also, the battery could be pressurized to prevent boiling.
I don't think this was actually done because in one photo, after
some processing, I could make out the water entry port on the
inside of the box. Cool water I think flows under the box through a
thin gap, and along the sides, mostly under the flanges that bolt
together the top and bottom halves of the 27 liter inner box. I
suspect it sits slightly elevated on a few short legs, possibly
bolts which penetrate the bottom of the box, but which are sealed.
At 2 MJ/kg, or 00.56 kWH/kg, the 29.7 kWh represents 53 kg, right
about what is needed inside the inner box to be credible.
There are many ways to make a fake that can replicate the public
tests Rossi has performed. Actually building one doe not prove
very much. Better to to devote the time to experimenting with
stuff that might actually work.
For some specific examples of stuff that might actually work, see
the posts and associated threads here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg44662.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg57397.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg21943.html
It might just be as simple as cycling the temperature about the
Curie point in a mu-metal filament in high pressure hydrogen gas
under the influence of an intense and slowly rotating magnetic field.
I might be as simple as loading powdered zeolites with a mu-metal
like compound and stimulating with microwaves, or high intensity
laser.
Despite the odds, there is a tiny possibility a useful and simple
solution is available.
Better to spend time seeking that than debating the ridiculous. The
odds of success may be small, but the payoff is vastly greater.
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
