David, My reply is below --
David Roberson wrote: > Thanks for the interesting discussion Lou. I am not sure why my posting > did not have paragraph separation as the source did. I used Word to write > the posting with standard formatting that should have shown breaks when > copied, but for some reason did not do so. Does anyone know why this > technique did not perform this time? > > Your description of the series of protons working together is very much > akin to what I was considering in my conception. In some ways this > reminds me of a pinch mechanism of sorts since all of the effective > current is flowing in one direction and their magnetic field should tend > to concentrate them into a tighter beam. I wonder if the extended view of > this mechanism into a cloud like structure would enhance the directional > properties of the individual protons? If this occurs, then some of the > projectile protons might be able to move more or less in a straight path > toward a target nucleus with the ability to overcome the coulomb barrier > as well as any small spatially oriented local magnetic fields. > I believe that in oscillating plasmons, or in dielectric breakdown currents/arcs, or in ballistic (or super-conductive) currents in microstures, etc., charged particles can collectively move in highly correlated states. Certainly magnetic pinching can spatially and directionally concentrate these states. Possibly, the wave functions of both electrons and protons are pinched. This could only be a small effect, but I haven't been able to figure out the math yet. > Your pictorial below suggests that the protons of the following chain add > "push" to the head one. It will be interesting to determine how powerful > this elastic connection is between them. Perhaps if enough protons work > together it can become powerful. Perhaps. Making some reasonable assumptions on current densities and particle velocities in nanocircuits, you can use the classical Lorentz force formula to calculate how much energy can be borrowed from other electrons/protons in the collective oscillation or current - assuming classical electrons/protons. Trying to do the same calculation using quantum field theory is far more difficult - at least for me. > Another feature of the coupled protons would be their tendency to absorb > strong forces applied to one of their members is we assume that the > elastic connection is sufficiently resistive. I have been seeking a > process that can retard the action of the strong force as a proton > overcomes the coulomb barrier and is rapidly pulled toward its accepting > nucleus. The action of a multitude of protons might be capable of this > feat. I am not sure if proton capture can be compared to electron capture. Maybe you are looking for some kind of screening effect? > The other interesting phenomena I seek is the modification of proton > direction of motion by a strong magnetic field that is extensive in > nature. I visualize this field as directing the protons toward collisions > with nuclei as it is adjusted either intentionally or by accident. A well > regulated system would hopefully direct the protons according to plan. Well, I don't have an answer. However, electron capture and neutron capture can move the atomic number of a nucleus downward and upward, respectively - after decays. So, is it possible that an apparent proton capture is really a neutron capture after the captured neutron has decayed? > > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pagnucco <[email protected]> > To: vortex-l <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, Jul 31, 2012 12:34 am > Subject: Re: [Vo]: Coupled Protons and Directional Stability > > > David, > > Good questions. > (However, to make your posts more readable, I suggest limiting your text > lines to 75 characters, and using a paragraph format.) > > I believe that protons (or electrons) may move in coherent waves in > nanostructures (or beams) that are strongly coupled permitting single > particles to surmount much higher potential barriers than might be > expected > if one assumes that the particle can only use its kinetic energy to climb > a > potential hill - i.e., it behaves the same as in a vacuum. > > For example, I believe a single proton in the vacuum with velocity v, > e.g., > v > <--- p > > cannot surmount a barrier as high as the lead proton in a coherent, > coupled proton row, all moving at the same velocity (v), e.g., > v v v v v > <--- p <--- p <--- p <--- .... <--- p > > (A 3-dimensional funnel formation would deliver even more energy.) > > I am trying to work out some simple examples assuming just classical > physics, with densities and velocities attainable in nanowires. > It is not clear to me that this kind of analysis applies when translated > to > quantum field theory, but at least it gives some hints about what may be > possible. > > I find it also interesting that axial collisions between proton and > electron pairs may be "head-on" collisions since magnetic and coulomb > forces will be 180 degrees opposite each other. > > Maybe, too, captures of inner (K-shell) electrons by protons in a nucleus > could be analyzed by classical physics as a cross check for whether > electron capture could be responsible for transmutations which may move > atoms downward toward smaller atomic numbers. > > -- Lou Pagnucco > > > David Roberson wrote: >> I asked the question in a previous post about thedirectional stability >> of >> a group of coupled protons but did not get sufficientresponse so I am >> attempting to rephrase. The stability of the directional characteristic >> of >> these nucleons is ofparamount importance if confirmed. >> There is a suggestion that many protons can work as a unit whenconfined >> to >> a nickel or similar crystal. If this is true, then perhaps an external >> or >> internal magnetic fieldmight be capable of modifying the direction of >> the >> entire group resulting inthe collision of one or more protons with >> nearby >> nickel nuclei. In this case fusion might occur when the LENRdevice sees >> a >> change in the field direction. This seems to be consistent with the >> observation that movement ofhydrogen protons by diffusion into the >> nickel >> crystal appears to enhance energyproduction. The motion of >> theseparticles >> would result in the modification of the instantaneous magnetic field. >> It has also been reported that LENR does not occur until acertain >> minimum >> temperature is reached. This quite possibly may be when the internal >> magnetic properties of thenickel degrade and external lines of force >> take >> over. A process such as this would tend to bedifficult to predict >> unless >> understood and hence we would interpret this as atough process to >> reproduce. >> So the big question is: how strong is the coupling effectwith regard to >> the maintenance of the motion vector of the protons that groupand how >> much >> force can one proton be given as it attempts to breech the >> coulombbarrier? >> Does anyone know of where thistype of information might be obtained? Is >> there an experiment that can be performed that demonstrates >> thesephenomena? >> The question about directional stiffness can be broken downinto one >> major >> effect. Do coupled protonshave a very strong tendency to keep moving in >> the same direction as dictated bythe group? For example, if the group >> ofprotons is moving in the X direction, will it take a very large force >> to >> makeone of these acquire a Y or Z component to its motion? Likewise, >> can >> one of these protons overcomethe coulomb barrier by borrowing propulsion >> from its partners? >> I am considering protons that are âÂÂdressedâ in a mannersimilar >> to the >> electrons that are activated by an energy source such as alaser. The >> electron coupling wasmentioned earlier in the vortex. >> Dave >> P.S. I am hoping to direct some energy toward a new subject. The >> climate >> change discussion is absorbing all of the bandwidth. >> > > > > >
