OK. I agree that -in general- fast rise times and shock waves can explain
overunity in pulsed systems, if it exists. Big "if". But the efficiency of
the PS (power supply) is always critical in these systems, if any gain is to
be derivative from acceleration.
And first & foremost, one must show overunity. One cannot say that because
there is a putative explanation, then that explanation severs to provide the
missing data. Papp, in the modern day scam, is all about the missing data.
It's not just missing - there is none.
BTW an adequate explanation of "why" the shock wave could be gainful, if
proved, is found simply in the power laws of motion wrt time, and in the
so-called exponential enhancements to velocity: "jerk" or "jounce". Anything
above acceleration, which is fully conservative, could be gainful- to the
extent that the PS is efficient.
But then again, vorticians share a level of suspicion (in the fizzix
establishment) similar to what the Jamaican Bobsled Team gets in winter
sports ... along with a taste for spicy food ('jerk').
Patois patronization, so to speak. It's all the derivative, mon.
dL/dT........VELOCITY
d2L/dT2 ....ACCELERATION
d3L/dT3 ....JERK
d4L/dT4 ....JOUNCE
From: James Bowery
My response to Axil was prompted by his hypothesis that the critical
parameter was minimizing rise time and peak power of the "ignition" pulse.
The efficiency of the pulse generator is of virtually no significance if it
is an ignitor of a larger energy source. I'm not saying I believe Axil's
hypothesis about plasma shock waves -- I just don't know. What I do know is
that if there is an anomalous effect it is a lot more likely to appear in
regimes which are rarely achieved in commonly available devices.
As for your concern about Krytrons being tightly regulated, I'm not talking
about producing Krytrons -- I'm talking about looking at their mechanism of
action for a clue since the Papp system seems to have much in common.
Indeed, if we are to suppose that some sort of nuclear energy source is
involved in the Papp engine, then it is _likely_ to involve an extrema in
rise time and peak power.
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Jones Beene <[email protected]> wrote:
As a tetrode with constant glow, the krytron is in probably in the range of
50% efficiency at most. Why bother?
From: James Bowery
For the third time: Check out Krytron technology!!! It used a small amount
of radioactive Nickel to speed the rise time of the discharge. Papp almost
certainly used Radium for the same purpose.
Quoting "Spark Gap and Triggered Gap Tubes
<http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/sparkgaps.html> ":
The krytron is a high speed, high current gas filled tube. This tube can
switch thousands of amps at thousands of volts. It is similar to a thyratron
except that it is a 4 terminal device. The fourth terminal is a "keep alive"
electrode that maintains a glow discharge in the tube at all times. This
make the tube much faster and the timing more uniform. There is also a small
amount of radioactive Nickel in the tube. The ionization helps further
stabilize the propagation delay.
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Jones Beene <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think James could be correct that the choice of noble gases is NOT a
stage
> prop.
>
> However, and once again - keep in mind that Papp used radium as his prime
> energy source, and his patent makes this clear... the noble gases he used
> could have been important but ancillary in a surprising way.
>
> Papp's original IP is entitled: "Method & Means of Converting Atomic
Energy
> Into Utilizable Kinetic Energy". The Rohner's and other scammers who came
> along later have clearer wanted to dodge this all-important issue of
nuclear
> power, because they cannot legally obtain radium, which is probably the
sine
> qua non for a working Papp engine. They cannot work without it.
>
> The most interesting detail, for real science - is why Papp used this
> particular mix instead of hydrogen. It probably was important and NOT a
> stage prop, as mentioned. This rationale could actually involve a real
> discovery by him - and it could related to gas interaction with an alpha
> emitter. That would be especially true of helium - which is the bulk of
the
> mix, and is essentially a neutralized alpha.
>
> In short, the real discovery of Papp, unbeknownst to even himself, could
> relate to quantum correlation fields and entanglement.
>
> Here is my favorite citation for "wisdom from comic books"
> http://marvel.wikia.com/Probability_field
>
> ....and it is strangely apropos for fringe inventor and his 300 mph
> submarine.
>
> Jones
>
> From: James Bowery
>
> Observing all the trouble Papp went to during the fueling
of
> his engine, it is rather difficult to believe that the noble gas was a
mere
> stage prop.
> See:
> http://inteligentry.com/shared/PappW/4-Fueling.mp4
> Jojo Jaro wrote:
>
> Funny, but Papp may have found a clever and "magician
trick"
> way of running an internal combustion engine making it appear to be
> overunity. With the process appearing to work with normal air, and now
> hydrogen, the noble gas "mixture" may just have been a convenient and
> effective "magician's sleight of hand technique" to divert attention from
> his engine just being an ordinary Internal Combustion Engine. Everybody
was
> focusing on the "novelty" of using a certain "magic formula" of noble
gases
> that nobody bothered to check the energy balance. I believe this is what
> happened.
>
>
