Don't go gettin' all Davis on my punk-ass just because I mentioned discontinuity in the context of anomaly. I did mention nuclear.
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Jones Beene <[email protected]> wrote: > OK. I agree that -in general- fast rise times and shock waves can explain > overunity in pulsed systems, if it exists. Big “if”. But the efficiency of > the PS (power supply) is always critical in these systems, if any gain is to > be derivative from acceleration. > > > > And first & foremost, one must show overunity. One cannot say that because > there is a putative explanation, then that explanation severs to provide the > missing data. Papp, in the modern day scam, is all about the missing data. > It’s not just missing - there is none. > > > > BTW an adequate explanation of “why” the shock wave could be gainful, if > proved, is found simply in the power laws of motion wrt time, and in the > so-called exponential enhancements to velocity: “jerk” or “jounce”. Anything > above acceleration, which is fully conservative, could be gainful- to the > extent that the PS is efficient. > > > > But then again, vorticians share a level of suspicion (in the fizzix > establishment) similar to what the Jamaican Bobsled Team gets in winter > sports ... along with a taste for spicy food ('jerk'). > > > > Patois patronization, so to speak. It’s all the derivative, mon. > > > > dL/dT........VELOCITY > > d2L/dT2 ....ACCELERATION > > d3L/dT3 ....JERK > > d4L/dT4 ....JOUNCE > > > > From: James Bowery > > > > My response to Axil was prompted by his hypothesis that the critical > parameter was minimizing rise time and peak power of the "ignition" pulse. > The efficiency of the pulse generator is of virtually no significance if it > is an ignitor of a larger energy source. I'm not saying I believe Axil's > hypothesis about plasma shock waves -- I just don't know. What I do know is > that if there is an anomalous effect it is a lot more likely to appear in > regimes which are rarely achieved in commonly available devices. > > > > As for your concern about Krytrons being tightly regulated, I'm not talking > about producing Krytrons -- I'm talking about looking at their mechanism of > action for a clue since the Papp system seems to have much in common. > > > > Indeed, if we are to suppose that some sort of nuclear energy source is > involved in the Papp engine, then it is _likely_ to involve an extrema in > rise time and peak power. > > > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Jones Beene <[email protected]> wrote: > > As a tetrode with constant glow, the krytron is in probably in the range of > 50% efficiency at most. Why bother? > > > > > > From: James Bowery > > > > For the third time: Check out Krytron technology!!! It used a small amount > of radioactive Nickel to speed the rise time of the discharge. Papp almost > certainly used Radium for the same purpose. > > Quoting "Spark Gap and Triggered Gap Tubes": > > The krytron is a high speed, high current gas filled tube. This tube can > switch thousands of amps at thousands of volts. It is similar to a thyratron > except that it is a 4 terminal device. The fourth terminal is a "keep alive" > electrode that maintains a glow discharge in the tube at all times. This > make the tube much faster and the timing more uniform. There is also a small > amount of radioactive Nickel in the tube. The ionization helps further > stabilize the propagation delay. > > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Jones Beene <[email protected]> wrote: >> I think James could be correct that the choice of noble gases is NOT a >> stage >> prop. >> >> However, and once again - keep in mind that Papp used radium as his prime >> energy source, and his patent makes this clear... the noble gases he used >> could have been important but ancillary in a surprising way. >> >> Papp's original IP is entitled: "Method & Means of Converting Atomic >> Energy >> Into Utilizable Kinetic Energy". The Rohner's and other scammers who came >> along later have clearer wanted to dodge this all-important issue of >> nuclear >> power, because they cannot legally obtain radium, which is probably the >> sine >> qua non for a working Papp engine. They cannot work without it. >> >> The most interesting detail, for real science - is why Papp used this >> particular mix instead of hydrogen. It probably was important and NOT a >> stage prop, as mentioned. This rationale could actually involve a real >> discovery by him - and it could related to gas interaction with an alpha >> emitter. That would be especially true of helium - which is the bulk of >> the >> mix, and is essentially a neutralized alpha. >> >> In short, the real discovery of Papp, unbeknownst to even himself, could >> relate to quantum correlation fields and entanglement. >> >> Here is my favorite citation for "wisdom from comic books" >> http://marvel.wikia.com/Probability_field >> >> ....and it is strangely apropos for fringe inventor and his 300 mph >> submarine. >> >> Jones >> >> From: James Bowery >> >> Observing all the trouble Papp went to during the fueling >> of >> his engine, it is rather difficult to believe that the noble gas was a >> mere >> stage prop. >> See: >> http://inteligentry.com/shared/PappW/4-Fueling.mp4 >> Jojo Jaro wrote: >> >> Funny, but Papp may have found a clever and "magician >> trick" >> way of running an internal combustion engine making it appear to be >> overunity. With the process appearing to work with normal air, and now >> hydrogen, the noble gas "mixture" may just have been a convenient and >> effective "magician's sleight of hand technique" to divert attention from >> his engine just being an ordinary Internal Combustion Engine. Everybody >> was >> focusing on the "novelty" of using a certain "magic formula" of noble >> gases >> that nobody bothered to check the energy balance. I believe this is what >> happened. >> >> > >
