Although, come to think of it, didn't William O. Davis do his initial theoretic work at EG&G?
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:15 PM, James Bowery <[email protected]> wrote: > Don't go gettin' all Davis on my punk-ass just because I mentioned > discontinuity in the context of anomaly. I did mention nuclear. > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Jones Beene <[email protected]> wrote: >> OK. I agree that -in general- fast rise times and shock waves can explain >> overunity in pulsed systems, if it exists. Big “if”. But the efficiency of >> the PS (power supply) is always critical in these systems, if any gain is to >> be derivative from acceleration. >> >> >> >> And first & foremost, one must show overunity. One cannot say that because >> there is a putative explanation, then that explanation severs to provide the >> missing data. Papp, in the modern day scam, is all about the missing data. >> It’s not just missing - there is none. >> >> >> >> BTW an adequate explanation of “why” the shock wave could be gainful, if >> proved, is found simply in the power laws of motion wrt time, and in the >> so-called exponential enhancements to velocity: “jerk” or “jounce”. Anything >> above acceleration, which is fully conservative, could be gainful- to the >> extent that the PS is efficient. >> >> >> >> But then again, vorticians share a level of suspicion (in the fizzix >> establishment) similar to what the Jamaican Bobsled Team gets in winter >> sports ... along with a taste for spicy food ('jerk'). >> >> >> >> Patois patronization, so to speak. It’s all the derivative, mon. >> >> >> >> dL/dT........VELOCITY >> >> d2L/dT2 ....ACCELERATION >> >> d3L/dT3 ....JERK >> >> d4L/dT4 ....JOUNCE >> >> >> >> From: James Bowery >> >> >> >> My response to Axil was prompted by his hypothesis that the critical >> parameter was minimizing rise time and peak power of the "ignition" pulse. >> The efficiency of the pulse generator is of virtually no significance if it >> is an ignitor of a larger energy source. I'm not saying I believe Axil's >> hypothesis about plasma shock waves -- I just don't know. What I do know is >> that if there is an anomalous effect it is a lot more likely to appear in >> regimes which are rarely achieved in commonly available devices. >> >> >> >> As for your concern about Krytrons being tightly regulated, I'm not talking >> about producing Krytrons -- I'm talking about looking at their mechanism of >> action for a clue since the Papp system seems to have much in common. >> >> >> >> Indeed, if we are to suppose that some sort of nuclear energy source is >> involved in the Papp engine, then it is _likely_ to involve an extrema in >> rise time and peak power. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Jones Beene <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> As a tetrode with constant glow, the krytron is in probably in the range of >> 50% efficiency at most. Why bother? >> >> >> >> >> >> From: James Bowery >> >> >> >> For the third time: Check out Krytron technology!!! It used a small amount >> of radioactive Nickel to speed the rise time of the discharge. Papp almost >> certainly used Radium for the same purpose. >> >> Quoting "Spark Gap and Triggered Gap Tubes": >> >> The krytron is a high speed, high current gas filled tube. This tube can >> switch thousands of amps at thousands of volts. It is similar to a thyratron >> except that it is a 4 terminal device. The fourth terminal is a "keep alive" >> electrode that maintains a glow discharge in the tube at all times. This >> make the tube much faster and the timing more uniform. There is also a small >> amount of radioactive Nickel in the tube. The ionization helps further >> stabilize the propagation delay. >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Jones Beene <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I think James could be correct that the choice of noble gases is NOT a >>> stage >>> prop. >>> >>> However, and once again - keep in mind that Papp used radium as his prime >>> energy source, and his patent makes this clear... the noble gases he used >>> could have been important but ancillary in a surprising way. >>> >>> Papp's original IP is entitled: "Method & Means of Converting Atomic >>> Energy >>> Into Utilizable Kinetic Energy". The Rohner's and other scammers who came >>> along later have clearer wanted to dodge this all-important issue of >>> nuclear >>> power, because they cannot legally obtain radium, which is probably the >>> sine >>> qua non for a working Papp engine. They cannot work without it. >>> >>> The most interesting detail, for real science - is why Papp used this >>> particular mix instead of hydrogen. It probably was important and NOT a >>> stage prop, as mentioned. This rationale could actually involve a real >>> discovery by him - and it could related to gas interaction with an alpha >>> emitter. That would be especially true of helium - which is the bulk of >>> the >>> mix, and is essentially a neutralized alpha. >>> >>> In short, the real discovery of Papp, unbeknownst to even himself, could >>> relate to quantum correlation fields and entanglement. >>> >>> Here is my favorite citation for "wisdom from comic books" >>> http://marvel.wikia.com/Probability_field >>> >>> ....and it is strangely apropos for fringe inventor and his 300 mph >>> submarine. >>> >>> Jones >>> >>> From: James Bowery >>> >>> Observing all the trouble Papp went to during the fueling >>> of >>> his engine, it is rather difficult to believe that the noble gas was a >>> mere >>> stage prop. >>> See: >>> http://inteligentry.com/shared/PappW/4-Fueling.mp4 >>> Jojo Jaro wrote: >>> >>> Funny, but Papp may have found a clever and "magician >>> trick" >>> way of running an internal combustion engine making it appear to be >>> overunity. With the process appearing to work with normal air, and now >>> hydrogen, the noble gas "mixture" may just have been a convenient and >>> effective "magician's sleight of hand technique" to divert attention from >>> his engine just being an ordinary Internal Combustion Engine. Everybody >>> was >>> focusing on the "novelty" of using a certain "magic formula" of noble >>> gases >>> that nobody bothered to check the energy balance. I believe this is what >>> happened. >>> >>> >> >>
