Nice attempt at a spin there mighty one, who did not graduate from anything.
A simple study that anyone can undertake will clearly reveal that Al-Ilyah
is the name of the moon god of muhammed's bediun tribe. He wanted to unify
the various arab tribes, so he promoted his moon god as the equivalent of
the Jewish God. When islam became widespread, the word allah was then used
synomymously with GOD. That is why Christian arabs today use the generic
word allah to mean God. In the beginning, allah or al-ilyah has always been
the moon god of muhammed's tribe, not the universal Jewish God, or the
Christian God. Stop lying to the uninitiated in this forum.
As for your second spin; let me get this straight. Muhammed married a dozen
women after his first wife died but for some twisted reason, they are not
considered "wives". You are actually arguing that these dozen women he took
were not his wives? Have I not spoken the truth when I said Muhammend had
dozens of wives. (by the way, he did have dozens of women which we today
would justifiably call wives, may they be ceremonial wives, or just plain
concubines. They're both considered wives by definition. )
So you say "so what?" So what if he did have dozens of wives? OK then.
That simply tells me where your morality is. The real God Jesus Christ said
that in the beginning, there was only one woman for one man. So what if
muhammed has dozens? OK whatever. No wonder you feel it justified to
issue fatwahs to kill those who "insult" muhammed-by telling the truth.
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" <a...@lomaxdesign.com>
To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>; <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell -> about Jaro Jaro
trolling
It is up to the list owner whether or not to tolerate the continued
intense trolling for outraged response. Jaro Jaro has acknowledged, in
other posts, that he's going to give back what he gets, and he readily
exaggerates what he gets, and dredges up whatever he thinks might offend
everyone who has *ever* pointed out what he does, seriously or in jest.
Most mailing lists would have long ago banned him. That's just a fact, not
an insult.
At 12:58 AM 12/5/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
What a piece of work you are. Your mother must have really screwed you up
raising you. First, you initiate the insult and then call for a banning
when those you insulted respond IN KIND.
I guess I'm fortunate you don't own this list.
No, Jaro Jaro is *unfortunate*, because if Daniel owned the list, he'd be
prevented from wasting more time -- his own as well as that of others --
frothing at the mouth.
Tell me exactly, what list rule have I violated deserving to be banned
like you advocate; other than the fact that you do not like the truth of
what I speak of. Are you still dwelling on the "moon god worshippers"
comment I made. So, you want me banned for telling the truth that allah
is a moon god of some arab tribe of muhammed? Are you also going to ban
me for saying muhammed had dozens of wives? Hey, instead of just banning
me, why don't you just issue a fatwah against me to have me killed, since
I "insulted" both allah and muhammed? Yes, I've insulted both of them by
telling the truth about each of them.
Jaro Jaro is anonymous, one wonders if he would be so foolishly brave if
he were a known person, as are many of us on this list. There are idiot
Muslims just as there are idiot Christians, idiot atheists, etc., and if
you poke them, indeed, they will kill you if they can, and make them angry
enough, they will make sure they can. Some of them are "high functioning."
And they may kill innocents along with you.
If Jaro Jaro were telling the truth, it would be, at least, some level of
justification, though telling the truth in some contexts is morally
reprehensible.
But Jaro Jaro picks whatever topic seems to him to be sufficiently
outrageous to the majority, to assert as "truth."
"Allah" is a word, and it has an etymology. It is pretty clearly a
contraction of "al-ilah," literally, "the god," or "the object of
worship." The use of the definite article "al-" implies that the referent
is clear, Allah is not merely "a god," but "the god," i.e, the source, the
One God, and that's how the word is used, by Arabs, including Christian
Arabs. Jaro Jaro's view would be at best pedantic, but it's much worse
than that. He's taking some assertion as to religious history and claiming
that *this is what people actually believe.*
It's not an "insult," though he intends it as one. It's entirely too
stupid. But because of the intention, in some jurisdictions, his speech
would be illegal, probably because it could incite idiots to murder.
Muhammad did not have "dozens of wives," that's again, merely stupid.
Muhammad had one wife, until she died. He then married about a dozen
women. This was actually, it appears, a common tribal pattern at the time.
A widow would marry a young man, and when she died, if he had the means,
he would then marry multiple wives, and when he dies, they each would
marry a young man, giving him his start in life, etc. But so what?
The real point here is that this is all totally irrelevant to the purposes
of this list. Another pointed out that we allow friendly banter that is
off-topic. That does not extend to allowing trolling for outraged
response. And that's what Jaro Jaro has been doing for a long time.
People have been banned from this list for much less.
