* MIT Prof. Peter L. Hagelstein stated in an interview as follows: *
So there are no significant amount of neutrons, there's no fast electrons, there's no gamma rays. There's nothing you might expect if it were a more normal nuclear reaction process. The basic statement here is that — if it's real and if it's nuclear... the argument for it being nuclear is that there's 4He (helium-4) observed in experiments, roughly one 4He for every 24 MeV of energy that's created. So what you need in the way of a theoretical model, basically a new kind of mechanism that doesn't work like the old Rutherford reaction picture that nuclear physics is based on. So that's the basic problem that I've been working on for a great many years. The big problem is one that has to do with the quantum mechanics issue. The nuclear energy comes in a big energy quantum, and if it didn't get broken up, then the big energy quantum would get expressed as energetic particles, as normally happens in nuclear reactions. So the approach we've taken is that we've said "the only conceivable route for making sense of these observations at all, is that the big energy quanta have to get sliced and diced up into a very very large number if much smaller energy quanta." The much larger number is on the order of several hundred million. In NMR physics and optical physics, people are familiar with breaking up a large quantum into perhaps 30 smaller pieces, you could argue that there are some experiments where you could argue that maybe that numbers as high as 100 or so. It's unprecedented that you could take an MeV quantum and chop it up into bite sized pieces that are 10s of meV. On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:15 AM, Harry Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote: > > If a bunch of low energy photons is equivalent to the energy of 1 high > energy gamma photon, why can't a particular nuclear reaction sometimes > produce a mountain of infrared photons instead one gamma photon? According > to conservation of energy this is possible, so why is it considered > impossible? > > harry > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:06 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net>wrote: > >> ** ** >> >> Dave stated:**** >> >> “… and that the energy from the reactions is shared among the atoms >> surrounding it. I have been looking for evidence that fusion can take >> place in the compact environment of a cold fusion NAE in a manner that is >> very different from that occurring within a plasma.”**** >> >> ** ** >> >> When one looks at subatomic particles as dipolar oscillations, and within >> the NAE, all those oscillations being aligned and IN-PHASE, they will serve >> as energy sinks for a specific wavelength of energy. Thus, the amount of >> energy that would have been emitted in a gamma is distributed as smaller >> packets amongst the large number of IN-phase oscillators. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> This all reminds me of a PhysOrg article I mentioned a few years ago >> where the scientists had isolated two atoms, side by side, and cooled to >> near 0K… they could watch as one of the atoms remained completely still, >> while the other would wiggle, because it had a quantum of heat energy and >> thus, [my conclusion] the internal oscillators were out-of-balance, which >> causes the entire atom to ‘shake’. What was interesting is that they could >> do something (don’t remember what) that would cause that quantum of heat to >> xfer from the shaking atom to the still one and, you guessed it, the one >> that was still was now shaking and the former holder of the quantum of heat >> was now still.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Back to Dave’s statement…**** >> >> Does the gamma get emitted, but then immediately absorbed by the >> ‘Collective’ oscillations, or is it a direct xfer of quanta of energy as >> explained above? In either case, whatever the exact conditions that are >> required, it would seem that those conditions result in BOTH new low-energy >> nuclear processes AND an energy sink which (almost entirely) favors >> coupling into lattice vibrations instead of emission of energetic particles. >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> -mark**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 03, 2013 8:07 AM >> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> >In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear**** >> >> engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the >> lack**** >> >> of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all.**** >> >> I agree with you Jones. The only way to explain this process is to >> assume that the gammas are not emitted at any time and that the energy from >> the reactions is shared among the atoms surrounding it. I have been >> looking for evidence that fusion can take place in the compact environment >> of a cold fusion NAE in a manner that is very different from that occurring >> within a plasma. The system difference is evident and I have not seem >> papers describing known fusion events recorded within a metal matrix where >> gammas are emitted at the expected levels. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> I proposed an experiment where a palladium cube loaded with deuterium is >> subjected to a flux of muons as a way to induce conditions that are known >> to result in fusion. If this does not result in the release of a number of >> gammas, then evidence is obtained that fusion within a metal matrix is >> different than that occurring within a gas. Of course, muon induced fusion >> might behave differently than normal LENR activity. The more clues that we >> obtain about the behavior of LENR, the faster we can understand the >> mechanism.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Dave**** >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> >> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >> Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 10:33 am >> Subject: RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!**** >> >> Mark,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Some of us only see a duck as a "downer" (cough, cough)**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Anyway, and from one fringe-of-the-fringe LENR perspective, this has >> "strong**** >> >> force interaction" written all over it, whether it is obvious to W-L**** >> >> proponents or not.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> RPF(reversible proton fusion) would certainly interact with its surrounds**** >> >> via spin (magnons) and would shuttle from one state (Helium-2) to another**** >> >> (two protons) with only quark interactions to show for the experience. >> The**** >> >> net energy deposited (or removed) is small per event, but happens at the**** >> >> rate of blackbody phonon vibration (mid terahertz).**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thus even micro(eV) energy change per event can get amplified rapidly, if**** >> >> and when asymmetry is engineered into the reaction.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ... hmmm... I'm now thinking of calling "quark color-change" as seen in >> RPF**** >> >> as the "quark-quack" reaction ... nothing there but spin, so to speak...**** >> >> thus giving detractors the satisfaction of calling the theory as**** >> >> quack-derived ... yet all the while, the other LENR theories are falling**** >> >> like ducks ... simply due to the obvious: not being able to adequately**** >> >> explain lack of gammas. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear**** >> >> engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the >> lack**** >> >> of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Jones**** >> >> ** ** >> >> From: MarkI-ZeroPoint **** >> >> **** >> >> The evidence is piling up that subatomic 'particles' are**** >> >> dipole-like structures, and likely a type of dipole oscillation...**** >> >> Looks, sounds, feels and quacks just like one...**** >> >> ;-)**** >> >> HTSITYS,**** >> >> -Mark**** >> >> [darn pics made msg too large so had to delete the piccys]**** >> >> ---------------------------**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Researchers suggest one can affect an atom's spin by**** >> >> adjusting the way it is measured**** >> >> http://phys.org/news/2013-03-affect-atom-adjusting.html**** >> >> ** ** >> >> [GO to website to see picture]**** >> >> **** >> >> >
